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Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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What's malicious about that? That the warning is designed to be ignored? If they deleted the warning, would that be much different?

The same reason it’s frowned upon to install random apps from the internet onto your PC. It’s a disaster waiting to happen.

I've directly installed hundreds of apps on my PC. No disasters have happened.

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> Be a member of good standing in the Apple Developer Program for two continuous years or more, and have an app that had more than one million first annual installs on iOS in the EU in the prior calendar year.

In other words, small developers without the resources to challenge Apple on these rules don't get to play.

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The terms and conditions for web distribution [0] are concerning to say the least. In short, you have to have at least one million first installs annually on iOS to even qualify, in addition to other terms such as "good standing in the Apple Developer Program for two continuous years or more". I doubt Epic and the like would be considered in good standing as far as Apple is concerned. Also, quote unquote, developers…

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Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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No, they want more money. They are hesitant to give up a big cash cow.

It doesn't have to be an exclusive choice for Apple: more money and more security for Apple. Many HN folks (many of them using plenty of Apple products) probably won't like it but the reality is that we all vote with our wallet and with our time

We can also vote with our actual votes and outlaw behaviours we don't like.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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My tolerance for Apple's walled garden expired with what they've pulled in reaction to the Digital Markets Act. It's become blatant (to me) they are landlords of their digital empire seeking to squeeze rent from everyone. I wouldn't mind paying for their expensive and yet still-profitable hardware if not for the antics they pull on the software side. Everyone should be able to run whatever legally-obtained program th…

I just wonder how products like game consoles would be viable under a law like this. I assume they would have to cost much more and there would be far less incentive for their development in the first place. Then again, we are at the end stages of game consoles. Microsoft in particular seems to be considering the idea of not even bothering with hardware. Software is where the money is, Chinese hardware companies can…

Steam Deck doesn't cost much more and allows you to run anything you want.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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The terms and conditions for web distribution [0] are concerning to say the least. In short, you have to have at least one million first installs annually on iOS to even qualify, in addition to other terms such as "good standing in the Apple Developer Program for two continuous years or more". I doubt Epic and the like would be considered in good standing as far as Apple is concerned. Also, quote unquote, developers…

That's probably to prevent the most obvious workaround of creating a new shell company for every million users. (Which would be not so ridiculous as it sounds, there is plenty of software you cannot buy directly but only through a reseller. Epic could become a pure b2b shop on paper and sell Fortnite clients to regional distributors, or something like that.) Some time ago somebody made an alternative App Store for em…

Altstore and Altserver got approved as 3rd party marketplaces by Apple. The implementation will be key.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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It really bothers me that so much of this is focused on the developers, and that is the problem here. How many users actually want this? I am sure some, but I doubt it is a significant number.

I have said this before here, but I am not looking forward to when this likely eventually comes to the US and as a user I have less control over my phone, not more.

The walled garden is why I chose an iPhone and continue to stay with the ecosystem. Not being at the mercy of dark patterns that many website still employ when trying to cancel subscriptions or just not reminding me of a yearly subscription about to charge.

Apps having no choice but to get money from me by going through the App Store is a benefit to me as a User. Developers I also hope quickly realize that if they try to push me to subscribe outside of the App Store they will get $0 from me instead of 70%.

I continue to be worried about the Facebook's and similar companies (we already know Epic is doing it) forcing users outside of the App Store.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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What the hell is going on at Apple? It's starting to become really funny to see one obviously non-compliant malicious compliance attempt being made after another. Do they really not understand that they're no longer involved in the relationships between users and developers?

At this moment, I’m really scared that the EU might not react.

Governments generally don't like when legislation is being flauted publicly.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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> If it’s that bad for developers, drop the iPhone and develop solely for Android. That's what I've done personally but that's not something you can ask most companies.

Why not? Android has nearly twice as much marketshare as Apple in Europe.

The cost of switching device ecosystems can be comparable to the cost of renting an apartment in richer countries, and exceeding the monthly income in poorer countries. Yet we clearly recognize that renters need protections and can't reasonably be told to just move apartments over anything. So why shouldn't we hold phone ecosystems to the same standards?

Especially when both do their best to make migration to the other difficult.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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post #93

What the hell is going on at Apple? It's starting to become really funny to see one obviously non-compliant malicious compliance attempt being made after another. Do they really not understand that they're no longer involved in the relationships between users and developers?

Don't overcomplicate it. They want to preserve their Services revenue, because Tim Cook is a bean-counter and wants to maintain the profit margin. "After Steve" by Tripp Mickle provides some background. Many Apple indie devs and fanboys are literally screaming. I bet many people @Apple are too. There are so many things the company could do to regain geek-cred. Package manager and windowing on macOS. Align Mac App Sto…

Some of these things could happen, but I don’t see Rosetta being kept around indefinitely. Keeping compatibility layers around becomes increasingly expensive with time, encumbering OS development and encouraging devs to never update their apps. It also opens up possibility of multiple compatibility layers being maintained at the same time, which multiplies these issues.

It’s much easier to just make virtualization of old versions of macOS easy to facilitate compatibility with old software, which they’ve done — one can spin up a full featured GPU accelerated macOS VM with just a few lines of Swift, so you don’t even have to use third party software if you don’t want to.

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