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Re: DBeaver – open-source database client

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Post by fuzztester »

hun3 wrote: post #150
fuzztester wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Karma is unimportant, but downvotes fade away the comment. So what? IMO, HN comments are also unimportant. In fact, HN is also unimportant. I said that here on HN recently. Jeez. Does anyone think HN is important in the real world? In the HN world, HN may be important (and even then, only to some), but then it is an echo chamber. >There is little point in making a comment that will disappear anyway, since no one wil…

That makes sense. Why are you here, though?

>That makes sense.

First say which of my above statements you refer to.

Until then I cannot meaningfully reply to your question:

>Why are you here, though?

Also, why should I not be here? You have any problem with it?

See what I did there?

Re: DBeaver – open-source database client

#152

Post by fuzztester »

hun3 wrote: post #150
fuzztester wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Karma is unimportant, but downvotes fade away the comment. So what? IMO, HN comments are also unimportant. In fact, HN is also unimportant. I said that here on HN recently. Jeez. Does anyone think HN is important in the real world? In the HN world, HN may be important (and even then, only to some), but then it is an echo chamber. >There is little point in making a comment that will disappear anyway, since no one wil…

That makes sense. Why are you here, though?

Not sure of your meaning, but maybe you're confusing unimportant with uninteresting? HN may be unimportant, but it is (sometimes) interesting, because of those very comments. Go figure (pun intended).

Re: DBeaver – open-source database client

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Post by hun3 »

fuzztester wrote: post #151
hun3 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That makes sense. Why are you here, though?

>That makes sense. First say which of my above statements you refer to. Until then I cannot meaningfully reply to your question: >Why are you here, though? Also, why should I not be here? You have any problem with it? See what I did there?

> First say which of my above statements you refer to.

Nothing in particular.

> Also, why should I not be here? You have any problem with it?

Not at all.

You might be reading too much into my comment, though.

Re: DBeaver – open-source database client

#154

Post by fuzztester »

hun3 wrote: post #153
fuzztester wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>That makes sense. First say which of my above statements you refer to. Until then I cannot meaningfully reply to your question: >Why are you here, though? Also, why should I not be here? You have any problem with it? See what I did there?

> First say which of my above statements you refer to. Nothing in particular. > Also, why should I not be here? You have any problem with it? Not at all. You might be reading too much into my comment, though.

Dude:

>>First say which of my above statements you refer to.

>Nothing in particular.

>You might be reading too much into my comment, though.

I cannot be reading too much into your comment if you say that you refer to nothing in particular (out of my statements).

QED.

Be logical, like Spock:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Nimoy

kthxbye :)

Re: DBeaver – open-source database client

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Post by dragonwriter »

hun3 wrote: post #122
fuzztester wrote: post #113

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No, they could still have chosen to post it, even if they went along with that story. My point was that there is no need to prepare a defence against downvoters, that too, up front. Not needed at all. Why is their opinion important to the OP? They can have their opinions, he can have his opinion of the same matter. What's the problem? The problem is only if one thinks that HN karma is important. It's totally unimport…

Karma is unimportant, but downvotes fade away the comment. There is little point in making a comment that will disappear anyway, since no one will see it.

> Karma is unimportant, but downvotes fade away the comment.

Preemptive defense against downvotes is a good way to attract them, so that's another reason not to do it.

Re: DBeaver – open-source database client

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Post by irjustin »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #98
irjustin wrote: post #87

DBeaver is great, but it's so heavy/clunky on OSX. Also, 99% of the time I want 1. tables+data 2. data structure+index of table 3. search 4. sql query DBeaver aims to be a full admin system and simply getting to the data makes me drill 3-4 levels deep in a tree and it's quite annoying that only adds to the "clunky-ness".

There’s an option, simple view on connection or something, that eliminates much of the hierarchy.

OH WOW. This makes it significantly more usable. Thanks for it!

I'm going to give it another serious go. I like TablePlus but I prefer open source options.

I've been using PostBird which fails pretty hard at any "large" data inside a single cell. The columns just bleed everywhere. I'm sad it's not true OSS because I know the community really wanted to take it much further but the original maintainer didn't want to. Their right, I get it, still sad.

Re: DBeaver – open-source database client

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Post by tasuki »

RachelF wrote: post #76
staticlibs wrote: post #18

DBeaver works surprisingly nicely with less popular DBs. I work with Babelfish for PostgreSQL [1], it supports connections with SQL Server client libs. Most GUI client tools (like SSMS) expect "real" SQL Server on the other end of the wire - depend on various system views for DB introspection, so only partially work with Babelfish. Even if client tool is based on JDBC (like SQuirell SQL), it doesn't guarantee that th…

The free version supports a few, but you need to pay $500 a year if you to talk to more databases or want security or cloud features: https://dbeaver.com/edition/ It's a great tool, though, a bit buggy but most useful.

In what way is the free version lacking security?

Re: DBeaver – open-source database client

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Post by npteljes »

worble wrote: post #37
dfee wrote: post #17

I don’t know why it matters to me, but I’ve always been put off by it being ugly and using non-native widgets. That may be the only reason I’ve paid for TablePlus. I’d probably be fine with a great TUI interface, too. So it’s really this intermediate UI that irritates me.

I find it absolutely baffling how often the prettiness of UI comes up as a HN comment. If you asked me objectively "do you think it's pretty?" I'd probably say no, but never once has this even occurred me when using it since I'm usually just trying to get work done, which I find it very useful for. It's a productivity tool, not an art piece I'm hanging on my wall.

Just to add insight: to me, inspiration is important, and beauty inspires me. When I coded a lot back in the day, I changed the coding font from time to time, for example.

A fun representation of the need for such beauty is in the game of Rimworld. In this world, the characters you manage react to the beauty of their surroundings, they need it to be beautiful to a degree, similar to how they need comfort, and recreation. Mood is central to the game, and an easy way to improve it generally is to create a beautiful environment, even if the characters are going to do mundane work like butchering.

Re: DBeaver – open-source database client

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Post by fuzztester »

dragonwriter wrote: post #155
hun3 wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Karma is unimportant, but downvotes fade away the comment. There is little point in making a comment that will disappear anyway, since no one will see it.

> Karma is unimportant, but downvotes fade away the comment. Preemptive defense against downvotes is a good way to attract them, so that's another reason not to do it.

>so that's another reason not to do it.

Unless one doesn't care about downvotes, because, you know, one is not a slave to convention.

Re: DBeaver – open-source database client

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Post by giamma »

elric wrote: post #128
giamma wrote: post #117

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Hi, I am an Eclipse Foundation committer, but I am not committing to the IDE itself. You don't have to sign the CLA (contributor license agreement) if you want to report a bug, but you have if you want to contribute code, even a small patch for a bug you found. That's a legal requirement to protect the Foundation from contributions that may copy/paste proprietary code and to ensure that you will not in the future cha…

I like the Eclipse UI. I just don't like how it behave on high resolution displays on Linux. I was unable to create an account for the bug tracker without signing a CLA. Maybe that's changed now, but I'm pretty sure that was the case when I last tried. I wouldn't say that Eclipse has dramatically improved on the last few years. On the contrary. It feels more sluggish to me and it crashes more frequently than before.…

Can't talk for Linux, I am now using Eclipse on Mac.

I used Eclipse on Linux about 8 years ago, and I remember running into frequent issues at that time: the problem was that I was using Ubuntu 16.04, but the SWT widget toolkit maintainers for Linux were Red Hat employees and they were focused mostly on Fedora. For several months SWT was very unstable because the native nature of SWT made it difficult to support it on the different Linux distributions, especially during the transition from GTK2 to GTK3, and considering that Ubuntu was tweaking GTK a lot to achieve its own unique visual style. You can get an idea of the problems the Linux maintainers were having here [1]

At the same time, the release notes of Eclipse clearly stated that that particular version of Ubuntu was not supported. So maybe you are running into the same issue, maybe you are using a Linux distribution that is not amongst the list of officially supported (=tested) Linux distributions.

With respect to market place and plug-ins my experience is different from yours, but having worked on Eclipse plug-ins for years I am certainly a more expert user. As I already said, to me the worst aspect of Eclipse is the p2 package format. It probably solves many problems (e.g. it tries to guarantee that you don't end up with a broken Eclipse instance due to lack of dependencies), but I often think that they could have achieved the same by using plain-old Maven dependencies and BOMs.

[1] https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=492371

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