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Re: Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets

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Post by freedomben »

fkyoureadthedoc wrote: post #126
monktastic1 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If he felt that he had to "get out in time," then he knew he did something "wrong" in the sense that my parent is (presumably) asking about. That's the only question I'm answering. You seem intent on drawing me into a debate about subtleties of moral and legal ethics, but I'm sorry to say I'm not interested right now.

And yet you're the one who brought it up

GP asked a clarifying question. You're desire to read into the question and make assumptions about what you think must have been their intent, rather than just taking the question at face value does not mean GP is "the one who brought it up."

Re: Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets

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Post by freedomben »

edgyquant wrote: post #71
jojobas wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is your allegiance to your employer above your allegiance to your country?

No and I also don’t think American companies should be employing citizens of foreign adversaries. That this is controversial shows just how naive the average American is and how unsustainable we are as a civilization these days.

> That this is controversial shows just how naive the average American is and how unsustainable we are as a civilization these days.

IMHO, dismissing any potential opposition as "naive" before you've even heard it, is about as naive as it gets. It also overshadows what otherwise might have been an interesting discussion point by declaring your unwillingness to actually discuss the point.

Re: Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets

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Post by fooker »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #143
ithkuil wrote: post #112

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Perhaps just perhaps the task is a bit harder than what you make it sound like Instances of people sharing the same name are far more common in china than elsewhere. For example there are more than 30 thousand people called "Wang Wei". The fact is complicated by the fact that the writing systems are different and transliteration errors are commonplace.

How many people named Wang Wei in any given year become the officers of companies? Google could even automate this with an email, opting into which would be a requirement for any senior employee handling the kind of information the US government cares about. "A person sharing your name has registered a company in China, as of 2024-03-07. To affirm that you are not related to this person, please click this link. If yo…

If you are guilty of a much more serious crime, saying you're not related to this person or ignoring the email won't add much to your guilt.

Re: Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets

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Post by lelanthran »

izacus wrote: post #80
lelanthran wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I mean I think we're all on the same page about not wanting to reduce people to their race. No we aren't. China, at any rate, isn't squeamish about using nationality and race of a person as one of the inputs into profiling them. Until China is onboard with prohibiting race profiling, everyone else who doesn't do the same is at a distinct disadvantage.

I don't understand your point here, are you arguing that you want USA to mirror China as a society and government? You do know that living in China isn't great?

> are you arguing that you want USA to mirror China as a society and government?

It's truly confusing to me that you go to that conclusion out of what I wrote.

I was simply pointing out that, no, we are not all on the same page, and those not on our page are simply going to be better at preventing industrial espionage.

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Post by ziddoap »

xienze wrote: post #133
lupire wrote: post #121

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If US prevented Chinese people for working on US AI, US would be in a far worse position in AI. Half of AI contributors in US are Chinese.

Why do they bother spying on us if they’re so far ahead then?

Because the other half of contributors aren't Chinese?

Re: Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets

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Post by alephnerd »

october8140 wrote: post #125
consf wrote: post #96

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It’s not a secret. It’s called the “Thousand Talents recruitment plan”

Thousand Talents is different.

That was specifically about enticing expat Chinese talent to return to China.

The overreaction to the Thousand Talents program had a significant negative impact within a number of STEM subfields here in the US

China has industrial espionage programs, but Thousand Talents wasn't one of them

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