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Re: AI behavior guardrails should be public

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Post by sotasota »

Jason_Protell wrote: post #47
stainablesteel wrote: post #40

gemini seems to have problems generating white people and honestly this just opens the door for things that are even more racist [1], the harder you try the more you'll fail, just get over the DEI nonsense already 1. https://twitter.com/wagieeacc/status/1760371304425762940

Is there any evidence that this is a consequence of DEI rather than a deeper technical issue?

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Re: AI behavior guardrails should be public

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Post by [deleted] »

perlclutcher wrote: post #148
ceejayoz wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I missing something in the link demonstrating that, or is it conjecture?

https://twitter.com/altryne/status/1760358916624719938 Here's some corporate-lawyer-speak straight from Google: > We are aware that Gemini is offering inaccuracies... > As part of our AI principles, we design our image generation capabilities to reflect our global user base, and we take representation and bias seriously.

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Re: AI behavior guardrails should be public

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Post by verticalscaler »

callalex wrote: post #136
verticalscaler wrote: post #91

I think HN moderation guardrails should be public.

Turn on “show dead” in your user settings.

Sure. There's also the question of which threads get disappeared (without being marked dead) from the front page, comments that are manually silently pinned to the bottom when no convenient excuse is found, what is considered wrong think as opposed to permitted egregious rule breaking that is overlooked if it is right think, 'etc.

It is endless and about as subtle as a Google LLM.

Re: AI behavior guardrails should be public

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Post by trhway »

DebtDeflation wrote: post #90
dekhn wrote: post #12

I strongly suspect Google tried really, really hard here to overcome the criticism is got with previous image recognition models saying that black people looked like gorillas. I am not really sure what I would want out of an image generation system, but I think Google's system probably went too far in trying to incorporate diversity in image generation.

Surely there is a middle ground. "Generate a scene of a group of friends enjoying lunch in the park." -> Totally expect racial and gender diversity in the output. "Generate a scene of 17th century kings of Scotland playing golf." -> The result should not be a bunch of black men and Asian women dressed up as Scottish kings, it should be a bunch of white guys.

>"Generate a scene of 17th century kings of Scotland playing golf." -> The result should not be a bunch of black men and Asian women dressed up as Scottish kings, it should be a bunch of white guys.

is black man in the role of the Scottish king represents a bigger error than some other errors in such an image, like say incorrect dress details or the landscape having say a wrong hill? I'd venture a guess that only our racially charged mentality of today considers that a big error, and may be in a generation or 2 an incorrect landscape or dress detail would be considered much larger error than a mismatched race.

Re: AI behavior guardrails should be public

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Post by unethical_ban »

nostromo wrote: post #96

It's super easy to run LLMs and Stable Diffusion locally -- and it'll do what you ask without lecturing you. If you have a beefy machine (like a Mac Studio) your local LLMs will likely run faster than OpenAI or Gemini. And you get to choose what models work best for you. Check out LM Studio which makes it super easy to run LLMs locally. AUTOMATIC1111 makes it simple to run Stable Diffusion locally. I highly recommend…

You are correct.

Lm studio kind of works, but one still has to know the lingo and know what kind of model to download. The websites are not beginner friendly. I haven't heard of automatic1111.

Re: AI behavior guardrails should be public

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Post by ceejayoz »

perlclutcher wrote: post #148
ceejayoz wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I missing something in the link demonstrating that, or is it conjecture?

https://twitter.com/altryne/status/1760358916624719938 Here's some corporate-lawyer-speak straight from Google: > We are aware that Gemini is offering inaccuracies... > As part of our AI principles, we design our image generation capabilities to reflect our global user base, and we take representation and bias seriously.

That doesn't back up the assertion; it's easily read as "we make sure our training sets reflect the 85% of the world that doesn't live in Europe and North America". Again, 1/4 white people is statistically what you'd expect.

Re: AI behavior guardrails should be public

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Post by didntcheck »

Jason_Protell wrote: post #5
kaesar14 wrote: post #3

Curious to see if this thread gets flagged and shut down like the others. Shame, too, since I feel like all the Gemini stuff that’s gone down today is so important to talk about when we consider AI safety. This has convinced me more and more that the only possible way forward that’s not a dystopian hellscape is total freedom of all AI for anyone to do with as they wish. Anything else is forcing values on other people…

Why would this be flagged / shut down? Also, what Gemini stuff are you referring to?

This post reporting on the issue was https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39443459

Posts criticizing "DEI" measures (or even stating that they do exist) get flagged quite a lot

Re: AI behavior guardrails should be public

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Post by photoGrant »

transitionnel wrote: post #111
ceejayoz wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can see how this gets challenging, though, right? If you train your model to prioritize real photos (as they're often more accurate representations than artistic ones), you might wind up with Denzel Washington as the archetype; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tragedy_of_Macbeth_(2021_f... . There's a vast gap between human understanding and what LLMs "understand".

If they actually want it to work as intelligently as possible, they'll begin taking these complaints into consideration and building in a wisdom curating feature where people can contribute. This much is obvious, but they seem to be satisfied with theory over practicality. Anyway I'm just ranting b/c they haven't paid me. How about an off the wall algorithm to estimate how much each scraped input turns out to influen…

Then who in this black box private company is the Oracle of infinite wisdom and truth!? Who are you putting in charge? Can I get a vote?
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