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Video generation models as world simulators

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Re: Video generation models as world simulators

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Post by michalf6 »

anonyfox wrote: post #94

If they would allow this (maybe a premium+ model) they could soon destroy the whole porn industry. not the websites, but the (often abused) sex workers. Everyone could describe that fetish they are into and get it visualized instantly without the need of physical human suffering to produce these videos. I know its a delicate topic people (especially in the US) don't want to speak about at all, but damn, this is a gia…

There are thousands of porn consumers with destroyed reward circuitry per every porn actor, of which few are mistreated and the majority are compensated very well.

Producing a neverending supply of wireheading-like addictive stimuli is the farthest possible thing from a good for humanity.

Want to do good in this area - work on ways to limit consumption.

Re: Video generation models as world simulators

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

aantix wrote: post #115
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One more French brain we didn't manage to keep. The drain is just crazy at this point.

What would fix the issue?

Not sure.

It's a lot of things at this point:

- If you are skilled, the money is much better in the US, even after paying for health care yourself.

- French entities and investors are risk adverse. This means your original projects will get canned more often, funding is going to be super hard, and will bring less money if you succeed.

- The French speaking market is smaller, so whatever you try, if you try in France, you either you target a market outside of France, which is harder than be where you clients are, or your target France and French speaking countries, with a much lower pay off.

- Customer and worker protection is higher, and laws are everywhere. This is usually good for citizens, but of course, it also means Uber or airbnb could never have __started__ in France.

- The network effect means if you go to the US, you will meet more opportunities, more skilled people and more interesting projects. There is also an energy there you won't find elsewhere.

- Administration is heavy, for companies, it's of course a burden, but for universities, it's a nightmare. And they are really under paid. Not to mention academics in France have a hard time promoting an idea, an innovations or anything they came up with. While in the US things have a catchy name before they are even proven to work.

All those things mean the US is professionally highly attractive, and actively trying to get talents with the resource to pay for it and the insistence of their market pressure.

Re: Video generation models as world simulators

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Post by namaria »

data-ottawa wrote: post #117
number_man wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The root world can spawn many simulations and simulations can be spawned within simulations. It becomes far more likely that we exist in a simulated world than in the root world.

This argument always bothers me. The probability of being in any simulation is conditional on the one above, which necessarily decreases exponentially. Any simulation running an equivalent simulation will do so much slower, so you get a geometric series of degrading probabilities. The rate of decay will be massive, imagine how long and how much resources it would take us to simulate our universe, even in a hand waved…

That's not a good argument, because we have no way of knowing what is the ration between our time and that of the universe where our simulation runs. Even if it takes hours to generate one second of our universe, we only experience our own time.

Besides, time is not absolute, and having it run slower near massive objects or when objects accelerate would be a neat trick to save on compute power needed to simulate a universe.

Re: Video generation models as world simulators

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Post by kenning »

anonyfox wrote: post #94

If they would allow this (maybe a premium+ model) they could soon destroy the whole porn industry. not the websites, but the (often abused) sex workers. Everyone could describe that fetish they are into and get it visualized instantly without the need of physical human suffering to produce these videos. I know its a delicate topic people (especially in the US) don't want to speak about at all, but damn, this is a gia…

the reaction of a pedo or worse lol

Re: Video generation models as world simulators

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Post by blueprint »

FeepingCreature wrote: post #90
blueprint wrote: post #49

> Our results suggest that scaling video generation models is a promising path towards building general purpose simulators of the physical world. so they're gonna include the never-before-observed-but-predicted Unruh effect, as well? and other quantum theory? cool.. > For example, it does not accurately model the physics of many basic interactions, like glass shattering. ... oh Isn't all of the training predicated on…

The point isn't "physical simulator" like supercomputers, it's "physical simulator" like the human brain.

yeah, well maybe they should've said that, and they obviously would have if they intended to distinguish between the two of them instead of over inflating their claims in order to raise more money

The simple counter argument is that they're claiming that there is potential for general purpose physical simulation. So please don't play with words. I thought we were supposed to be talking about something concrete instead of whatever you wanted to twist things into to suit your purpose

either that, or they're not qualified to distinguish between the two options you presented, which is obviously not true

right?

the article's bazillion references have nothing to do with physics

nor is there any substance behind the claim of physical simulation

what is actually being simulated is synthesis of any video

it's not that complicated and you and they must know it too

it's double speak easily seen from miles away

scammers have to downvote

Re: Video generation models as world simulators

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Post by nopinsight »

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #137
nopinsight wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I totally agree that a system like Sora is needed. By itself, it’s insufficient. With a multimodal model that can reason properly, then we get AGI or rather ASI (artificial super intelligence) due to many advantages over humans such as context length, access to additional sensory modalities (infrared, electroreception, etc), much broader expertise, huge bandwidth, etc. future successor to Sora + likely successor to G…

I call bullshit. A key element of anything that can be classified as "general intelligence" is developing internally consistent and self-contained agency , and then being able to act on that. Today we have absolutely no idea of how to do this in AI. Even the tiniest of worms and insects demonstrate capabilities several orders of magnitude beyond what our largest AIs can. We are about as close to AGI as James Watt was…

A definition of general intelligence may or may not include agency to act. There is no consensus on that. To learn and to predict, yes, but not necessarily to act.

Does someone with Locked-In Syndrome (LIS) continue to be intelligent? I’d say yes.

Obviously, agency to act might be instrumental for learning and predicting especially early in the life of an AI or a human, but beyond a certain point, internal simulations could substitute for that.

Re: Video generation models as world simulators

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Post by 93po »

michalf6 wrote: post #151
anonyfox wrote: post #94

If they would allow this (maybe a premium+ model) they could soon destroy the whole porn industry. not the websites, but the (often abused) sex workers. Everyone could describe that fetish they are into and get it visualized instantly without the need of physical human suffering to produce these videos. I know its a delicate topic people (especially in the US) don't want to speak about at all, but damn, this is a gia…

There are thousands of porn consumers with destroyed reward circuitry per every porn actor, of which few are mistreated and the majority are compensated very well. Producing a neverending supply of wireheading-like addictive stimuli is the farthest possible thing from a good for humanity. Want to do good in this area - work on ways to limit consumption.

This is easily proven inaccurate. The largest network of sex workers is OnlyFans. Go look up stats for OF creators. It's 99.5% people making basically zero money, and 0.01% making 99% of the money.

Re: Video generation models as world simulators

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Post by 93po »

shiroiushi wrote: post #98
lbrito wrote: post #33

Okay, The Matrix can't be too far away now.

Maybe before long they can make whole movies just with prompts giving a plot outline. Then they can finally make a sequel to The Matrix.

Finding Nemo except they're all in BDSM outfits
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