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Re: Write code for the web

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Post by javcasas »

bmitc wrote: post #125
javcasas wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Whereas, if Microsoft just looks at you wrong, pitchforks are out. Not to nitpick, but Microsoft looking wrong at you is more like the Eye of Sauron looking wrong at you. Just pointing to the gigantic amount of dark patterns on Microsoft products, especially Windows.

Apple's iOS and macOS have very similar dark patterns, but they go unmentioned. Yes, Windows has been making some really bad decisions with the Windows and Edge products, and it is really annoying. But at least their dev tooling is top notch, and you can easily interact with actual Microsoft employees in their repos. It's a nice experience.

> Apple's iOS and macOS have very similar dark patterns, but they go unmentioned

So you agree pitchforks should be out both for Apple and Microsoft.

Count me in.

Re: Write code for the web

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Post by mplewis »

idle_zealot wrote: post #105
ahmedfromtunis wrote: post #15

Early on, I made the choice to not to invest in learning native mobile development. I focused all my limited time on the web, and I think that, for once, I made the right choice. Today, one can build amazing stuff for the browser. And, in my very humble opinion, the vast majority of apps should've been WebApps — except for maybe Uber, Google Drive, and games. I worked in the journalism business, and, in my country, t…

> except for maybe Uber, Google Drive, and games I understand Drive working better as a native app; it needs to be able to provide a virtual filesystem to the OS and do background syncing and such. But why Uber? Uber has (or maybe had) a mobile site that works fine for requesting rides and basically everything the app can do. I don't see what value Uber being a native app adds for the user. The same goes for most mob…

Uber provides features like push notifications and Dynamic Island support to users. Web Push only became available recently, and it’s only available if you install the web app to the Home Screen.

Re: Write code for the web

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Post by yellow_lead »

BuyMyBitcoins wrote: post #59

Years ago I decided to delve into learning Swift and native iOS development. I simply could not get accustomed to using XCode. The UI/UX of XCode is atrocious in a way that I’m struggling to articulate. I found myself constantly opening and closing panels just to click on icons that weren’t intuitively grouped together. To open one panel would forcefully minimize the other. It’s like a tenth of my time was dedicated…

I would agree. Most times I look for something simple to find in other IDEs (Build Output, Project Settings, etc), I get lost easily and have to search Google on how to open that pane.

Re: Write code for the web

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Post by ysavir »

clarkmoreno wrote: post #134
ahmedfromtunis wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is because Apple is a hardware company, that uses software to attract consumers. While Microsoft is a software company, that uses hardware to attract consumers.

Re-read that. Microsoft uses hardware to attract customers?

I don't know the GP's intention, but I'm guessing it's that MS's actual products are all software (Windows, Office, etc) and the allure is that they can be sold on/come packaged with relatively cheap and available computing. Compare to Apple, where they primarily sell hardware, and use software (whether their own or 3rd party) to make that hardware desirable, especially at high price points.

Re: Write code for the web

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Post by isodev »

Writing for the web of today is merely changing one walled garden for another. We don't live in a state of "free and open web" - it's dominated by two ad companies controlling the browser and social aspects of it.

Some would argue that we should keep pumping browsers with native-like APIs to escape the "big bad App Store" while in reality this merely increases the foothold of Big G and their cousin Meta.

The issue is not how much Apple cares about developers (they do, because developers make Apple's ecosystem but this is a business relationship, not a friendship). In my view, the root cause is that the "happy path" of creating an app mandates choosing an ecosystem. For everything from tools to where you'd store your data and how you'd send push notifications - you have to choose which one of the MFAANGs you will support or else.

Re: Write code for the web

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Post by mlcrypto »

Apple and their fans always represented peak arrogance to me. Idiots who would spend $1000 on a phone and $3000 on a laptop that had more bugs and compatibility issues with hardware and gaming than Windows. Only decent product they made was the iPod

Re: Write code for the web

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Post by rchaud »

The problem is, I want to be able to run apps on my device entirely offline.

On Android, I can do that with web apps, because Android for the time being has "web server" apps that let you run a local Apache server. So if your application files are stored locally on phone storage, you can use the app entirely offline.

Anything similar on iOS?

Re: Write code for the web

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Post by rchaud »

idle_zealot wrote: post #105
ahmedfromtunis wrote: post #15

Early on, I made the choice to not to invest in learning native mobile development. I focused all my limited time on the web, and I think that, for once, I made the right choice. Today, one can build amazing stuff for the browser. And, in my very humble opinion, the vast majority of apps should've been WebApps — except for maybe Uber, Google Drive, and games. I worked in the journalism business, and, in my country, t…

> except for maybe Uber, Google Drive, and games I understand Drive working better as a native app; it needs to be able to provide a virtual filesystem to the OS and do background syncing and such. But why Uber? Uber has (or maybe had) a mobile site that works fine for requesting rides and basically everything the app can do. I don't see what value Uber being a native app adds for the user. The same goes for most mob…

Uber had an excellent PWA, m.uber.com.

I used it for years, but it didn't seem to work right on a new phone, with some UI elements not visible or off-screen, so I went back to the app.

Re: Write code for the web

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Post by LibrePenguin »

dtagames wrote: post #79

This author seems confused about something that he, himself explains. The reason that Apple doesn't care about developers is that they have created such a walled garden cult w/ users that developers are forced to produce products for their platform or they lose half their market -- or more. At my day job in mobile game development (for a small studio inside a large company), we have to fight Apple constantly -- not o…

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Re: Write code for the web

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Post by LibrePenguin »

dtagames wrote: post #79

This author seems confused about something that he, himself explains. The reason that Apple doesn't care about developers is that they have created such a walled garden cult w/ users that developers are forced to produce products for their platform or they lose half their market -- or more. At my day job in mobile game development (for a small studio inside a large company), we have to fight Apple constantly -- not o…

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