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Re: Google search drops cache link from search results

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Post by EGreg »

ravenstine wrote: post #108
rafark wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a feeling this has to do with AI and all the lawsuits regarding content and copyright, storing and displaying the contents of a third party website to the end user might not be the best idea right now (I know the way back machine exists but they’re not a for profit company like google).

I can picture future HN conversations now. "It's a good thing copyright law exists to prevent AI from doing anything useful because I'm fearful of AI." "Hey, does anyone know why the web has become so boring and useless???" Who knows – maybe Google Search won't even show page descriptions in the coming years.

Boring and useless? More like A DARK FOREST with disinformation and gaslighting everywhere, and fake “participants” in your forums. Oh, hi human :)

Re: Google search drops cache link from search results

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Post by joaogui1 »

pwb25 wrote: post #143

Google sucks so hard now, literally anything they do is getting worse. No idea why anyone wanna work there or why they think they are cool paying 100 of k to incompetent people

Most of the people getting 100k are not the people making the dumb decisions. Besides, lots of cool research is still happening inside Google

Re: Google search drops cache link from search results

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Post by brianshaler »

yreg wrote: post #92
rafark wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a feeling this has to do with AI and all the lawsuits regarding content and copyright, storing and displaying the contents of a third party website to the end user might not be the best idea right now (I know the way back machine exists but they’re not a for profit company like google).

I won't be surprised if Archive.org ends up getting screwed at the end of this fight.

They already are, with content platforms clamping down on public access, with more and more content locked away behind exorbitantly expensive APIs (mostly thinking reddit and twitter here)

Re: Google search drops cache link from search results

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Post by vander_elst »

aeyes wrote: post #115
huppeldepup wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still miss google code search. Someone know an alternative?

github search, the downside being that you need to have an account

Not sure of it's only me but GitHub search is absolutely unusable, it does not find a variable name in the file I have open in the other pane and I can see it exists.

Re: Google search drops cache link from search results

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Post by stateofinquiry »

MSFT_Edging wrote: post #139
stateofinquiry wrote: post #133

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There should be no surprise that "those with power and money" will not willingly apply "technology" for social good. It should be expected, rather. Your comment brings to mind Edward R. Murrow's speech in 1958 about the direction of television (certainly would be "high tech" back then!) He and others envisioned education, information, and enlightenment from this technology. Well, you know what we got instead. Here is…

I'm aware it should be expected. The target of my comment is specifically the "well profit=good" crowd on here. It's to point out the innate contradiction in how we speak about technology compared to the guaranteed outcome in our system. We're doomed as a species if we keep believing in the magical market as a primary mover for said species. We'll stall in a circlejerk of ads and stock buybacks and never accomplish a…

True points, and I apologize for missing you actual point and wandering off a bit. We probably need another social model for technological development specifically- but I am not sure what it might be. If there is anything useful to salvage from my previous its that this issue has been with us for a long while.

Re: Google search drops cache link from search results

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Post by Aloisius »

MSFT_Edging wrote: post #119
zackmorris wrote: post #114

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"You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else." -Winston Churchill A paradox of politics is that the desire to not talk about politics favors the status quo, necessitating the need to talk about politics. It's obvious to me that AI is being rolled out in just exactly the wrong way at multiple levels, creating misaligned incentives and a perversion of original goals. Bu…

This is an important comment. Instead of "AI"(be real, llms and stable diffusion) being developed openly and studied without a profit motive, it's been thrust into the cheap world of VCs looking to extract any profit whatsoever from it, nearly immediately. This has caused these "AI" tools to be used to steal and rehash artists work(cheapening artists because tech bros and MBAs resent art and the time it takes to perf…

One could make a similar argument about every other major technological advance in history.

I’m not sure why people seem to believe AI is different or special or what leads them to believe you can stop it anymore than the automated loom or the combine harvester.

Re: Google search drops cache link from search results

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

Aloisius wrote: post #156
MSFT_Edging wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an important comment. Instead of "AI"(be real, llms and stable diffusion) being developed openly and studied without a profit motive, it's been thrust into the cheap world of VCs looking to extract any profit whatsoever from it, nearly immediately. This has caused these "AI" tools to be used to steal and rehash artists work(cheapening artists because tech bros and MBAs resent art and the time it takes to perf…

One could make a similar argument about every other major technological advance in history. I’m not sure why people seem to believe AI is different or special or what leads them to believe you can stop it anymore than the automated loom or the combine harvester.

Given the invention of the cotton gin, the slave owners should have been clubbed to death and the technology not used to make slavery more enticing but to improve productivity to reduce level of effort and provide more free time.

This can be translated to modern day.

Re: Google search drops cache link from search results

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

stateofinquiry wrote: post #155
MSFT_Edging wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm aware it should be expected. The target of my comment is specifically the "well profit=good" crowd on here. It's to point out the innate contradiction in how we speak about technology compared to the guaranteed outcome in our system. We're doomed as a species if we keep believing in the magical market as a primary mover for said species. We'll stall in a circlejerk of ads and stock buybacks and never accomplish a…

True points, and I apologize for missing you actual point and wandering off a bit. We probably need another social model for technological development specifically- but I am not sure what it might be. If there is anything useful to salvage from my previous its that this issue has been with us for a long while.

I think amazing gains could be made if we ripped the bandaid off and took all the weapons manufacturers and other gov contractors and used that brain power entirely for darpa style public works projects.

Our current military industrial project is just a self fulfilling fantasy. Stop the contracts for war, create contracts and research for moving humanity forward without the need to strap it to a missile 20 years before it hits shelves. Keep IP rights publicly owned, license them to anyone and use the licensing fees to fund new research.

Re: Google search drops cache link from search results

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Post by bnegativ3 »

rafark wrote: post #60
angry_octet wrote: post #6

The cache: qualifier does still work for me, but I fear it too is deprecated. Another incredible Google blunder. https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttp...

I have a feeling this has to do with AI and all the lawsuits regarding content and copyright, storing and displaying the contents of a third party website to the end user might not be the best idea right now (I know the way back machine exists but they’re not a for profit company like google).

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Re: Google search drops cache link from search results

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Post by ametrau »

sph wrote: post #81
whamlastxmas wrote: post #68

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Appending site:Reddit.com to everything bc Reddit search sucks

Yeah but they enshittified Reddit too, so many links are to "unreviewed" subreddits that force you to login. If it was not for Kagi putting some sanity back into search, Google and Reddit going to shit would have had me seriously reconsider this career and spending so much time online. I think it is abhorrent borderline criminal to place yourself at the centre of the Internet experience, and one day decide to make it…

> I think it is abhorrent borderline criminal to place yourself at the centre of the Internet experience, and one day decide to make it shittier for everybody because of short sighted lust for money and inept PMs.

Putting into words the thought I’ve been having recently.

I think Google is winding down on search. I wonder how important it is to them these days. There’s no way being this crap is not intentional.

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