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What happens when an astronaut in orbit says he's not coming back?

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Re: What happens when an astronaut in orbit says he's not coming back?

#151

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Good ai bot.

For all we know, your post is AI-generated.

For all we know, your post is AI-generated.

PS

I actually had a purpose behind the comment - which was - this is one thing AI would be good for. Why wasted 20 mins or whatever reading, when you could get ai to give you a summary of the thing? That would be a decent use of ai.

Mind you, I can surely imagine a plugin that allows you to click 'summarise this page' in the browser.

PPS

These plugins already exist!

Re: What happens when an astronaut in orbit says he's not coming back?

#152

If you hate the format of these kinds of article let me summarize: Guy builds an experiment, flies it, it doesn't work, requests more time to get it working, is denied, threatens 'not to come back', goes into a depression, worries crew that he'll open the door to space, eventually granted more time to work on the experiment, gets it working. There are consequences for letting this kind of person fly and dealing with…

I don't hate the format of these articles in general but this one in specific had a harsh and abrupt transition between setting up the tension "Astronaut upset" and the segue to background check information. In my humble opinion it would benefit from another paragraph or two of setup.

Re: What happens when an astronaut in orbit says he's not coming back?

#153

NASA seems to have a long standing tradition of sweeping problems under the rug. No skylab mutiny, no depressed payload specialists, all fine here gentleman, nothing to see here. I always wondered why this is written that way. To protect the organisation? But the human part of us all is part of that organization, to disacknowledge that is literally inhumane. Because they are funded by taxpayer dollars and should scre…

I'm reminded of this quote from Men In Black : "Kay: A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." Given the number of people I know personally who think Bill Gates wants to inject us with microchips, I can see why NASA wouldn't want these stories to get out.

That line is the perfect use of crotchety, misanthropic Tommy Lee Jones.

Re: What happens when an astronaut in orbit says he's not coming back?

#154
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> On the second day of the mission, Wang floated over to his experiment and sought to activate the Drop Dynamics Module. But it didn't work. He asked the NASA flight controllers on the ground if he could take some time to try to troubleshoot the problem and maybe fix the experiment. But on any Shuttle mission, time is precious. Every crew member has a detailed timeline, with a long list of tasks during waking hours.…

“If some people shouldn’t go to space nobody should go to space” is not a compelling argument against people going to space, sorry.

Re: What happens when an astronaut in orbit says he's not coming back?

#155
post #71

> On the second day of the mission, Wang floated over to his experiment and sought to activate the Drop Dynamics Module. But it didn't work. He asked the NASA flight controllers on the ground if he could take some time to try to troubleshoot the problem and maybe fix the experiment. But on any Shuttle mission, time is precious. Every crew member has a detailed timeline, with a long list of tasks during waking hours.…

> Sounds like the whole approach to the misison profile was flawed How many experiments got aborted so he could spend the time to get his pet project working?

Well, wouldn’t it have been nice if the article tried to answer this same question? Instead of fluffing the nothing.

Or why did they send specialist if they didn’t want him to use his specialisation?

Re: What happens when an astronaut in orbit says he's not coming back?

#156

If you hate the format of these kinds of article let me summarize: Guy builds an experiment, flies it, it doesn't work, requests more time to get it working, is denied, threatens 'not to come back', goes into a depression, worries crew that he'll open the door to space, eventually granted more time to work on the experiment, gets it working. There are consequences for letting this kind of person fly and dealing with…

>> There are consequences for letting this kind of person fly...

What kind of person is that? How do you know? It seems NASA has a fairly rigorous psych evaluation for their astronauts, so even they aren't "sure" until they do the evaluation.

Re: What happens when an astronaut in orbit says he's not coming back?

#157

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> If you hate the format of these kinds of article You mean long-form articles? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-form_journalism I don't think the problem is with the format, but with your expectations. Somehow you were expecting a straight answer to the question in the title; instead, it's a detailed look into the incident and the context around it.

Nowadays there is so much fluff added (as an "SEO hack" to increase reading time) to what could be otherwise short posts, that long-form was bound to suffer by association. Of course, some never liked long form. I prefer it, but not it's SEO'd brethren

The worst is when they make a large eye-catching quote that is just text from two paragraphs down. I hate spoilers.

Re: What happens when an astronaut in orbit says he's not coming back?

#158

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Do you think important information was withhold here? Which information was not important? It was a investigative article, about an incident that happened long ago, with most participants already dead by today. If something is worth a long article - then this is.

The personal biography of Wang, for starters. I do not give a shit when he was born or where he went to school. I'm only mildly interested in what he worked on. The issue is the headline. It posits a question, then jerks you around until you've spent long enough on the page to satisfy some engagement metric. It's writing for television, where any yes/no question always happens to take exactly 30 minutes (and multiple…

> The personal biography of Wang, for starters. I do not give a shit when he was born or where he went to school. I'm only mildly interested in what he worked on.

It is highly relevant to the story. I was asking myself "So why was he even on this space mission?" You may not have had this question, but the main reason Wang gives for his state of mind around the incident is directly linked to his biography. He immigrated from China to the US at age 22, went into US academic science, and became a US citizen.

So he was in a position to be the first Chinese person in space, and he feels like a representative of all Chinese people. I see a lot of my father in him, who immigrated to the US around the same time and holds a lot of those conflicted feelings. The reason he threatened to not come back, in his own words, was not because he really cared about doing the science or because the result was really important even to him personally. It was because he would be failing in the eyes of the world. The words of his father (speaking in his head) to not bring shame to his family were more influential than the words of NASA mission command telling him to follow orders (speaking in his ear).

If you don't think where someone was born (China) and then went to school (USA) matters given this, then you have missed a big point of this article because you tried to speedrun long-form journalism.

Re: What happens when an astronaut in orbit says he's not coming back?

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post #140

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The whole point of the inverted pyramid was that editors/layout people could chop off the article at any point to fit the space available and have it still make sense, back when newspapers were laid out in columns and on physical pages. It's not an idealized platonic form information transfer.

"Studies of 19th-century news stories in American newspapers, however, suggest that the form spread several decades later than the telegraph, possibly because the reform era's social and educational forces encouraged factual reporting rather than more interpretive narrative styles.[2]"

>encouraged factual reporting rather than more interpretive narrative styles

The 19th century literally coined the term Yellow Journalism! What kind of dumb revisionism is this?

A narrative being conveyed in only a couple bullet points instead of a story is not "factual reporting", it's soundbite optimized reporting.

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