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Japan is Japan [1]. What is your data point for European and American countries? [1] https://hansondoremus.com/2014-4-28-there-are-four-kinds-of-...
The behavior you are engaging in is known as "moving the goalposts." It involves changing the criteria or rules during an argument or discussion, ("in the developed world" -> "for European and American countries") making the original point or argument difficult or impossible to address satisfactorily.
Retired teacher's pension stopped as provider refuses to believe she is not dead
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Re: Retired teacher's pension stopped as provider refuses to believe she is not dead
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s not a simple mistake. It’s a critically damaging mistake to someone. Any process around such an event requires considerably more competence than what was demonstrated. In this case their investigation said that the date of birth and last name were matched but the first names were not. This was flagged through by someone who didn’t do their job. Thats just negligence of duty. I would expect to be minimally fired…
Note to Crimbles employer. Please be sure to fire them should they mistake one word when reading hundreds of documents a day, they have hereby agreed this is valid cause.
Robert Michael Smith - 12/10/1954
Gerard George Smith - 12/10/1954
Re: Retired teacher's pension stopped as provider refuses to believe she is not dead
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
The usefulness of a death register depends on how well people are identified. In the US, the pervasiveness of social security numbers as id makes the social security death register very useful. Sure, there may be some deaths unreported, and some reported under the wrong SSN for various reasons, but most of the time it works. I don't think the UK has a similar enumeration of people, and then you've got data problems.…
And "most of the time" is not a problem?
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
AML/KYC regulations are, well, as the name suggests, anti-money laundering regulations, they aren't about the customers defrauding the bank. The bank presumably doesn't need to have regulations to incent it to keep its customers from defrauding the bank itself.
Not only that, AML/KYC regulations are extraordinarily ineffective. It appears that some people thought they were a good idea and passed them without ever following up to see if the benefit is worth the cost, and the answer turns out to be a resounding no .
Pretty much the same for all the work UKGOV does to try and combat "fraud", sadly - they always end up spending multiples of the amount they'd save[1]
[1] whilst at the same time enabling fraud of their own like the fast-track PPE contracts, etc.
Re: Retired teacher's pension stopped as provider refuses to believe she is not dead
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
And "most of the time" is not a problem?
Is it? And even if it was, is it worth the expense to track them and annoy the "false positives"?
What does that even mean "annoy the "false positives"" in this case? You mean just leave them dead?
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it? And even if it was, is it worth the expense to track them and annoy the "false positives"?
What? The parent seems to argue that it's good enough that "most of the time" it's the correct SSN that's declared dead. No big deal that occasionally the wrong SSN is blamed. How can that be good enough? The point of all these systems is that they can go wrong. And since we are dealing with people who, you know, have other things to do than fixing other people's mistakes, then these systems must make it easy to corr…
Even in the present UK case, the actual problem was the incompetent way how the "false positive" was resolved, not the fact that it occurred in the first place
Re: Retired teacher's pension stopped as provider refuses to believe she is not dead
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not only that, AML/KYC regulations are extraordinarily ineffective. It appears that some people thought they were a good idea and passed them without ever following up to see if the benefit is worth the cost, and the answer turns out to be a resounding no .
> passed them without ever following up to see if the benefit is worth the cost Pretty much the same for all the work UKGOV does to try and combat "fraud", sadly - they always end up spending multiples of the amount they'd save[1] [1] whilst at the same time enabling fraud of their own like the fast-track PPE contracts, etc.
But that doesn't apply here because the reason KYC/AML is so ineffective -- literally 99.9% ineffective -- is that it's so easy to transfer value in some other way. And in turn to claim that even if you're using a traditional bank.
Money laundering is fundamentally very simple. They open a business that could plausibly generate that amount of profit and then claim the money was the proceeds of that business instead of the illegal one. The bank has no better way to know this is happening than the government, and the only people who do are in on it. So the rules are totally ineffective and because they're totally ineffective, they don't provide a deterrent.
But it's even worse than that. Most government waste is actually somebody's profit or salary, so then they lobby to keep it, but if it's a lot of waste then competing sociopaths lobby to cut it so they can get the tax money, which provides at least some financial pressure to limit the excesses of any given program.
The primary cost of AML/KYC rules isn't tax dollars. They fall on the general public through invasion of privacy, bureaucratic overhead, transaction costs and impaired competition between financial institutions. The general public is a diffuse group without organized lobbyists and without a thorough understanding of how much this is costing them. It also falls disproportionately on people who are already disadvantaged and have even less political influence than average. So there is no one supplying strong political pressure to get rid of it despite the high costs and near-zero effectiveness -- it's basically down to the people who have figured out how stupid this is to make it go away on their behalf.
Re: Retired teacher's pension stopped as provider refuses to believe she is not dead
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
Note to Crimbles employer. Please be sure to fire them should they mistake one word when reading hundreds of documents a day, they have hereby agreed this is valid cause.
If you get these confused and hurt Robert Smith you should be fired. Stop normalising incompetence! Robert Michael Smith - 12/10/1954 Gerard George Smith - 12/10/1954
The human is guaranteed to make a mistake, just as you are.
God forbid your mistake is only the serious matter of embarrassing an elderly person and needing to have your company apologize and make restitution and not putting software on an aircraft that causes it to fly nose first into the ground killing everyone on board.
Would you like me to draw a picture of how the person shouldn't be fired, the entire system should change?
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#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not just that. The benefits system has been designed to be hostile and abusive to most claimants. The UK is the country that forces its chronically ill and physically incapable into suicide or death by starvation. These people are "economically unproductive", so the logic of eugenics suggests they should die. https://deathsbywelfare.org/list-view/
> forces its chronically ill and physically incapable into suicide What should I be reading to learn more?
Re: Retired teacher's pension stopped as provider refuses to believe she is not dead
#160Every year my grand parents have to take a photo of themselves holding a recent newspaper with date clearly visible to whoever is managing their pension. After the internet and apps plaged the world, now they have to download an app then tilt node and wink to the camera to prove that they are alive. ("If you cannot use a phone, ask your children") I have mixed feeling about this, it's hard to say this is not degenera…
Is it so terrible to do a very simple procedure once a year to avoid fraud?
Try hosting a class for pensioneers where teaching how to send a photo via email is a gigantic achievement.
Seriously how are so many programmers unglued from reality - that old people dont know how to do stuff, even if someone teaches them. And lots have nobody to teach them.