This is sad "outrage porn". Regardless of how you feel about Cloudflare or their HR, this was really unprofessional of her and I suspect she'll come to regret posting this publicly. Posting an emotional attack on HR may feel cathartic, but this isn't healthy for anyone involved, including the viewer.
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#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would say so. This video is a perfect demonstration of America's "at-will employment" culture. It's extremely asymmetrical, too. Companies can fire you at any moment, for any reason (with or without cause!)... yet it is considered rude for employees to not provide ample notice when deciding to voluntarily quit.
This needs to change, no more notice
I mean, you can do that. There's literally nothing stopping you except the opinion of your team of you. I generally give notice, not because I give a single fuck about the company, but because I like my coworkers and want to make sure I tie off my work before leaving so I don't make their lives harder.
Worker solidarity doesn't mean you fuck over capital any time you can, even if it makes your fellow workers' lives harder. The company cares way less about you quitting suddenly than your coworkers do. That's exactly why they don't care about laying people off with no notice.
You may get faux revolutionary warm fuzzies by quitting to screw the man, but you're probably screwing your friends more than your foes.
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
None, as she was fired in the standard 1-2 month trial period
According to another comment she'd been there over 4 months, so longer than the maximum legal probation period in the Netherlands.
I only saw the short reddit video, but she states in the call that she started in December, and users the holidays as a reason for her numbers.
Misheard/didn’t pay enough attention. It’s about 4 months indeed
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#154Absolutely terrible way to handle it Cloudflare. Their CEO is quite adept at social. IF they're smart, they'll advise him to directly address this, apologize for the way it was handled. Nevermind her recording of it, probably not the best move, but neither is being fired on the grounds of performance, only to later (seconds) come out that is not at all the reason. Any reasonable person and future potential CLoudflare…
I swear I've seen one of the cloudflare CXO level employees show up during a previous divisive HN article, I wouldn't be surprised if someone shows up here.
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#155It's illegal to record others without their consent! Thats the law. Definitely sucks being laid off but doing such and then posting it online showing your face not very smart!
> It's illegal to record others without their consent! That's highly contingent on jurisdiction. I don't know where she's recording this. I'm assuming that she's US-based, and even in the US, the laws vary by state.
Yep. 11 out of the 50 states require all parties who are being recorded to consent. For instance, in California it's not legal to record secretly: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio...
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#156Well, this is interesting. But mostly because cloudflare is doing layoffs, but it sounds like they are trying to fire people instead. Not sure why
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
None, as she was fired in the standard 1-2 month trial period
It's January and she said she was hired in August. How's them math skillz doin'?
I didn’t see/hear that part. I heard December. Maybe she was hired before December but wasn’t active yet
You’re right. She starts with that
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#158Sad. Well, I've lost a lot of admiration for Cloudflare. Shame.
Just because an employee who worked 4.5 months with zero sales gets laid off? This is the problem with social media, now people think whoever makes the most noise is right. I've seen people getting fired for far less and they didn't make a fuss about it anywhere.
No, for the way the anon HR folks and the company as a whole handled it.
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#159I get why Brittany's mad: Cloudflare appears to be handling this about as bad as possible. But those two HR randos aren't gonna have anything worthwhile to say, either. I don't want to be judgmental of Brittany because it's a sucky call to have to take. But my recommendation in this situation is to say "I disagree with that assessment of my performance, but I understand you are terminating my employment. What details…
Nah, she did well by frustrating the process. Next time they’ll think twice before gaslighting and humiliating an employee. Telling her she was getting fired due to her own performance is just that. In my books she did well, hope she starts a gig on her own to never have to deal with NPCs such as those two. They feed on people’s misery.
> Next time they’ll think twice before gaslighting and humiliating an employee.
I mean this in the nicest way possible, but this made me LOL.
Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]
#160I get why Brittany's mad: Cloudflare appears to be handling this about as bad as possible. But those two HR randos aren't gonna have anything worthwhile to say, either. I don't want to be judgmental of Brittany because it's a sucky call to have to take. But my recommendation in this situation is to say "I disagree with that assessment of my performance, but I understand you are terminating my employment. What details…
What a load of nonsense. People sacrifice a lot of personal time to ramp up in a job. This is why she is emotional. Then she was told she was doing well..by her manager. Now her investment is bogus and it sounds like she will not be compensated at all for it? I mean you're advocating she asks for compensation, when they tell her no? Then what? Not sure who you are but you're delusional if you think this is ok. "Go ge…
Not sure who I am either, but in no way did I say "this is ok".
I'm saying there's nothing to be gained to prolonging the talk with two drones from HR. Maybe I'm missing something. What's your best case scenario for how the call goes? What is the biggest potential upside?