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Re: The drive stats of Backblaze storage pods

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I have a synology single HDD NAS, which syncs to cloud. Its kinda slow but handy.

Which obviously means you also have to pay for cloud storage right? What cloud storage do you use?

Glacier. Yeah not sure if its worth it but figure its handy if there is a fire. Would be great if the family would stop taking so many photos and videos.

Re: The drive stats of Backblaze storage pods

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B2 is great if you don't test your backups.

Your comment worries me - are there known data integrity concerns with B2?

Sorry to cause concern.

If you are backing up daily and testing daily egress charges become an issue.

If you are doing it 3x a month then it's a good deal.

B2 is for achiving in my use case.

Re: The drive stats of Backblaze storage pods

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I use B2 as the backend for my personal backups using restic (which I would highly recommend https://github.com/restic/restic ). I don't have a ton of data to backup, so even with hourly backups (restic only backs up when there are changes) I have ~100GB and it runs me a whopping $0.60/month. I almost feel guilty when I get the bill. But the minute I need to pick a storage platform in a professional context I know wh…

Rustic is better

For anyone just passing by, from the rustic website[0]:

> Stability: Currently our tools are in beta state and miss regression tests. It is not recommended to use them in production backups, yet.

[0]: https://rustic.cli.rs/

Re: The drive stats of Backblaze storage pods

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For $9/month you would get a lot more features from the backup service. The interesting ones being File Sharing and Extended Version History. So it depends if you want those, as well as a nice web UI. And at 1TB the numbers get closer, at 2TB it becomes cheaper to use the backup service. The main thing for me is legacy. In my will it is a lot easier to explain how to get files from the standard backup plan, rather th…

First make sure you understand how they handle encryption. The features and ease of use come at the cost of some security. They generate a public/private key pair for the user. The client gets the public key and the server gets the private key. During backups the data is encrypted on the client with a symmetric key (which I believe is generated on the client). The encrypted data is sent to the server. The symmetric k…

But surely someone who is actually that concerned about security will have the files being backed up already encrypted before they're backed up to b2? That way no need for encryption b2 side, then decrypt them locally after pulling them back down again.

Re: The drive stats of Backblaze storage pods

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Your comment worries me - are there known data integrity concerns with B2?

I'm curious, too. I know they've had some issues in the past: https://github.com/restic/restic/issues/3268#issuecomment-78... On the other hand, I tested around 15,000 backups last year (multiple hourly backups, daily tests) and they all passed.

I mean reading that thread, the problem itself is certainly worrying but the response from B2 is pretty golden, that's some great customer/technical support.

Re: The drive stats of Backblaze storage pods

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The most interesting thing here is the discussion about using vendor hardware instead of their own bespoke stuff. My takeaway is that it's still essentially impossible to negotiate anywhere close to a fair price with commodity server vendors until you are buying hundreds of machines, and then only if you are capable of demonstrating that you are willing to design and build them yourself. And yet despite this, it's st…

You get two VARs, one with Dell and one with HP. Then a couple back and forth negotiation rounds and you will be paying 40-50% of MSRP. Or even try to do it direct with your Dell/HP reps, since VARs are of dubious value.

I know how to get to the price; it's just an incredible pain in the ass.

Re: The drive stats of Backblaze storage pods

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From the very top, this is great analysis. I wonder if they are willing to strike a deal if you need relatively high egress, but very low storage. Also, I do expect that Backblaze's lifetime egress costs per drive far exceed the TCO for the drive (minus egress). Zero trolling: It would great to see some commentary directly from Backblaze on this matter -- for example, explain that egress is very expensive. EDIT Above…

Full disclosure - I am Chief Technical Evangelist at Backblaze. Pulling the egress costs from the hyperscalers' storage pricing pages: * Amazon S3 ranges from $50-$90/TB depending on monthly volume. * Google Cloud Storage ranges from $80-$230/TB depending on monthly volume and where you're transferring data to/from. * Azure Blob Storage ranges from $40-$181/TB (with the First 100GB/month free) depending on monthly vo…

Pat Patterson: Hat tip! Thank you for the excellent follow-up. In short, your prices of 10 USD / TB are a steal according to your data. Keep up the great work. I'm not yet a customer, but I will be very soon.

Re: The drive stats of Backblaze storage pods

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For $9/month you would get a lot more features from the backup service. The interesting ones being File Sharing and Extended Version History. So it depends if you want those, as well as a nice web UI. And at 1TB the numbers get closer, at 2TB it becomes cheaper to use the backup service. The main thing for me is legacy. In my will it is a lot easier to explain how to get files from the standard backup plan, rather th…

> For $9/month you would get a lot more features from the backup service. Worth noting it's only available on Windows + OSX. Presumably since they offer unlimited storage and don't want people installing the cloud backup tool on their NAS.

any drive attached is stored. Ive been backing up 20tb and its a deal. unlimited and you just have to make the OS think the drive is us attached or internal
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