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Re: E621, Pornhub, and others block North Carolina residents

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Post by hulitu »

mjevans wrote: post #14

What if you had to show Government ID whenever you entered a grocery store, a library, a movie theater? What if you were tracked each time you consumed a video, a still image, an audio clip, or even a text message? What if the government kept a record of any or all of those checks? What if they arranged for third parties to commercialize that data so they could 'legally' end-run any restriction on domestic spying wit…

> What if you were tracked each time you consumed a video, a still image, an audio clip, or even a text message?

You already are.

Re: E621, Pornhub, and others block North Carolina residents

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Post by kazinator »

hattmall wrote: post #44
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I strongly disagree with this NC law, and others, your analogy is a bad one. As a society I think we've accepted that some things (cigarettes, alcohol, sex, etc.) should be restricted from children. That's a far cry from requiring ID every time I go to the grocery store. But, as long as I've been alive, you have had to show ID to purchase alcohol, and the sky hasn't fallen. Again, I think these types of laws ar…

You had to show ID to buy porn magazines, go in a strip club or even the adult video rental room. It's pretty insane that we have no check for an unlimited amount of free porn with all kinds of extremes. It fucks up a lot of kids (and adults). Showing porn to a random kid on the street would have you catch a charge if not something worse, but somehow on the Internet it's just fine?

> You had to show ID to buy porn magazines

Not to someone wearing a Google Glass device, taking a snapshot of it.

Re: E621, Pornhub, and others block North Carolina residents

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Post by hatenberg »

cf1241290841 wrote: post #124
hatenberg wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh I think a certain presidential candidate is running under the “let’s stop pretending” thing. So in half a year we’ll know.

I dont see the "Look there a three headed monkey" type of tribalism distraction to be a future proof plan. The attention economy overdid it. And corruption bloomed as a result. Which is typical for a totalitarian rise. Kleptocracies without checks and balances dont work and its quite visible to the outside. Its just not a sensible path to go down on. Even looking past ethical and human perspective, totalitarianism is…

The motivation of a late 70s old person is probably not being future proof

Re: E621, Pornhub, and others block North Carolina residents

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Post by nazka »

jxdxbx wrote: post #70
LammyL wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is one thing to show ID. It is an other thing to show ID and have the details stored in a database in perpetuity by companies who don’t have huge budgets for data privacy and security.

Zero-knowledge methods for verifying age are possible but there is almost no political will or interest in them. Sites would get a “yes” or “no” as to whether someone is of age, and no other information.

I am curious how this would work. Could you put me in the right direction in how this is done?

Re: E621, Pornhub, and others block North Carolina residents

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Post by Fatnino »

jxdxbx wrote: post #70
LammyL wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is one thing to show ID. It is an other thing to show ID and have the details stored in a database in perpetuity by companies who don’t have huge budgets for data privacy and security.

Zero-knowledge methods for verifying age are possible but there is almost no political will or interest in them. Sites would get a “yes” or “no” as to whether someone is of age, and no other information.

California is trying out something like this with their digital drivers license.

Basically, if you only want to verify age, you open the app in age verification mode. It will display your picture and a qr code but not your address and other sensitive info typically present on a drivers license. The participating* alcohol vendor then scans the qr code which only contains data like "over 21" and some sort of verification that the qr code isn't forged. I'm a bit hazy on how this last bit works but it really all pivots on how this bit is implemented. Could be good for privacy or a total nightmare.

*there are only 3 locations participating in this test phase, afaik

Re: E621, Pornhub, and others block North Carolina residents

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Post by miki123211 »

nazka wrote: post #154
jxdxbx wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zero-knowledge methods for verifying age are possible but there is almost no political will or interest in them. Sites would get a “yes” or “no” as to whether someone is of age, and no other information.

I am curious how this would work. Could you put me in the right direction in how this is done?

THe simplest way is as follows:

1. There's a provider that already has your data (it could be the government, a bank, a phone carrier etc). If more than one provider is supported, there's a list of trusted providers somewhere.

2. Whenever a website needs an age check, it asks you to authenticate with one of the trusted providers. The provider gets a challenge (a random string).

3. If you authenticate successfully, the provider uses their public key to provide a cryptographic signature of the challenge. This signed challenge is then transmitted back to the website.

In a more advanced version of this system, the website also provides a boolean expression, like `country_of_residence not in forbidden_countries && (age > 21 || (age > 18 && country_of_residence != "us"))`, and providers promise not to return successful responses for users who don't fulfill the expression criteria.

Re: E621, Pornhub, and others block North Carolina residents

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Post by koonsolo »

hulitu wrote: post #151
mjevans wrote: post #14

What if you had to show Government ID whenever you entered a grocery store, a library, a movie theater? What if you were tracked each time you consumed a video, a still image, an audio clip, or even a text message? What if the government kept a record of any or all of those checks? What if they arranged for third parties to commercialize that data so they could 'legally' end-run any restriction on domestic spying wit…

> What if you were tracked each time you consumed a video, a still image, an audio clip, or even a text message? You already are.

And I would say if you carry a cellphone, they also know where you go physically.

Re: E621, Pornhub, and others block North Carolina residents

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Post by LargeTomato »

Fatnino wrote: post #155
jxdxbx wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zero-knowledge methods for verifying age are possible but there is almost no political will or interest in them. Sites would get a “yes” or “no” as to whether someone is of age, and no other information.

California is trying out something like this with their digital drivers license. Basically, if you only want to verify age, you open the app in age verification mode. It will display your picture and a qr code but not your address and other sensitive info typically present on a drivers license. The participating* alcohol vendor then scans the qr code which only contains data like "over 21" and some sort of verificati…

It would be helpful to be able to digitally verify different types of identity. Where I live, how old I am, my real name, my nationality, etc. Give the user control over what information is being verified.

Re: E621, Pornhub, and others block North Carolina residents

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Post by npteljes »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #99
schneems wrote: post #90

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> yes “I want to be governed by a fascist dictator” and “maybe we shouldn’t destroy the environment completely” are pretty close Eh, the American far left and right are both obsessed with policing language in surprisingly-similar ways. The left’s inability to cohere is largely what protects us from it meaningfully mobilising.

>The left’s inability to cohere is largely what protects us

I think that's a feature of democracy, which I actually like. Unfortunately it's also what gives a charismatic populist more power. They will unify the people with the (artificially amplified) emotions, while the others are mired in argument.

Re: E621, Pornhub, and others block North Carolina residents

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Post by npteljes »

thinkerswell wrote: post #12
mc32 wrote: post #3

Ignoring other (obvious) issues, it’ll be interesting to see how people respond. Do they seek different entertainment? Does it lead to more or less socially desirable/adjusted behavior?

Generally you get more of what you subsidize, so my bet is that this will lead to less porn consumption, an absolutely massive win.

You don't get less of what you prohibit, though. Lots of prohibited things just get swept under the rug, and in turn, become more extreme.
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