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In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

#151
But even with Firefox your whole activity is being tracked. There is no privacy anymore. Your data is being collected massively to build a map to identify individuals. You can't protect yourself anymore from being a victim. This is so utterly bad that I even would recommend/advise to not use any computer or the Internet in total anymore.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

#152

From yesterday's Firefox thread: Firefox has multiple compelling reasons to use it: Sync[1] only what you allow, bookmarks/history/extensions/etc Containers keep sites separated nicely[2] Tree Style Tabs[3] uBlock Origin on Android[4] Open Source since 1998! Not based on Chromium [1] Be wary of sync on a fresh Linux install, it might sync the default bookmarks and merge them with your own. Not a huge deal but definit…

On [1], also note that Firefox's sync is end-to-end encrypted by default. Contrast that to https://palant.info/2023/08/29/chrome-sync-privacy-is-still-....

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

#153
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I’ll switch to Firefox when they fire their overpaid CEO who keeps getting hefty pay raises despite Firefox losing market share and whose big idea for revenue is “AI services”.

You have no issues with Google? Every exec is paid just right, every endeavour is pure and good?

What tends to rub people the wrong way in situations like this is hypocrisy. Google hasn't claimed to be a virtuous nonprofit, so people accept it when they do shitty things. The Mozilla Foundation is an ideological nonprofit, so people hold it to a higher standard.

This may or may not be productive, but it's how people tend to work. :D

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

#154

From yesterday's Firefox thread: Firefox has multiple compelling reasons to use it: Sync[1] only what you allow, bookmarks/history/extensions/etc Containers keep sites separated nicely[2] Tree Style Tabs[3] uBlock Origin on Android[4] Open Source since 1998! Not based on Chromium [1] Be wary of sync on a fresh Linux install, it might sync the default bookmarks and merge them with your own. Not a huge deal but definit…

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Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

#156

Recommend doing this on mobile as well, if you are an android user. You get adblock and a URL bar near your keyboard. The price is that occasionally there are sites (approximately 2% in my anecdotal experience) that you'll have to use chrome for.

My other grief on Android is that I often get the dead tab bug. Sometimes when you reopen a tab and try to navigate, the tab just ceases to function and you need to close it.

Also they changed something in tab management, and it feels like nowadays I always have 40 tabs opened despite myself (which kinda defeats the purpose).

Other than that, I never have issues loading any website, unless they're actively detecting the agent and telling you to use chrome.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

#157

From yesterday's Firefox thread: Firefox has multiple compelling reasons to use it: Sync[1] only what you allow, bookmarks/history/extensions/etc Containers keep sites separated nicely[2] Tree Style Tabs[3] uBlock Origin on Android[4] Open Source since 1998! Not based on Chromium [1] Be wary of sync on a fresh Linux install, it might sync the default bookmarks and merge them with your own. Not a huge deal but definit…

> Sync[1] only what you allow, bookmarks/history/extensions/etc

Chrome also allows you to choose what to sync.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

#158
post #93
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> Firefox is the only major browser not built by a company that makes money from advertising and/or selling your personal data This is true for Google, etc, but definitely not for Apple. Not saying Apple is perfect in every way, but they actually have a track record for privacy protection.

Apple definitely makes a lot of money from advertising...probably more than they make from selling Macs (based on 2022 results). Also I think this quote might be technically right, but Mozilla's revenue is almost entirely paid from advertising companies who pay royalties to have their search engines by default in Firefox. So they are very much coupled to the dynamics of the ads industry.

Not doubting you, but do you have a source for that? Best I could find was their last quarterly earnings report which does have “Services” ahead of everything but iPhone, but I would imagine includes some big money makers like AppleCare.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

#159

From yesterday's Firefox thread: Firefox has multiple compelling reasons to use it: Sync[1] only what you allow, bookmarks/history/extensions/etc Containers keep sites separated nicely[2] Tree Style Tabs[3] uBlock Origin on Android[4] Open Source since 1998! Not based on Chromium [1] Be wary of sync on a fresh Linux install, it might sync the default bookmarks and merge them with your own. Not a huge deal but definit…

I really wish Firefox just implemented a high quality first party tab solution.

I’ve been using Arc on my MacOS devices and Edge on windows devices because I just like a nice first party vertically tabbed browser.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

#160

While i wholeheartedly agree, these aren't really reasons. Playing devil's advocate reveals nothing useful. "Its happened before" That's not an argument, in fact you could counter-argue that IE left a lot of technical debt. On top of that, the internet was very different back then. "Its actually good" I'm still not convinced, why would I change my browser? I'm very comfortable in my opera/edge/chrome browser and I'd…

> "Its happened before"

> That's not an argument

It's a subheading to "2. Browser engine monopoly". The subsection's purpose is describing how bad things were during the IE monopoly to reinforce that it's something to be avoided.

> in fact you could counter-argue that IE left a lot of technical debt

That would be agreeing with the article, unless I misunderstand what you mean.

> On top of that, the internet was very different back then.

In a way that now makes it harder for truly new competing engines to pop up due to increased complexity of the web.

> I'm still not convinced, why would I change my browser?

The points made in the article are:

* Increased privacy, opposed to willingly giving your data to an ad-tech company

* Helps avoid a browser engine monopoly which would effectively let Google dictate web standards

* It’s fast and has a nice user interface

Onto which I'd add:

* Content blockers work best on Firefox (https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b...), doubly so once Manifest V3 rolls out

* Allows more customization of interface and home page

* UX improvements, like the clutter-free reader mode, aren't vetoed to protect ad revenue as with Chrome (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37675467)

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