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Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by teg4n_ »

kbrosnan wrote: post #110
laweijfmvo wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> She also went years taking annual salary lower than she probably should have been taking. It frankly wouldn't be unreasonable to grant her lifetime emeritus status that comes with a no-strings-attached $1–2 million annual salary to sit on her hands and do nothing. Sorry, what? She was underpaid for a few years, so should get a couple mil forever now? Can you at least list out the "several important things?"

It is closer to 20 years. She was a founding member of Mozilla. Look back at the early financial statements, in a vacuum a few 100k to several 100k sounds like a lot. When you compare it to other executives in the Bay Area or the US she was significantly under paid compared to peers. Especially when considering stock options. What would it cost Mozilla to hire someone else? Before someone here says that they would be…

If they were the CEO of Mozilla they would because that’s the whole point of talking to them.

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Post by lupusreal »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #102
asystole wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything coming out of them recently, including the mailshots I see and even the onboarding copy, seems to indicate they see themselves as a political advocacy org first and a browser developer second.

Developing and operating open technology is political advocacy. Technology and its implementation is simply the expression of the ideology, rights, etc. Leadership choices, as well as their efficacy and compensation is still an important discussion.

> Developing and operating open technology is political advocacy.

That's fine, they should leave it at that and do it the best they can because that is presumably their competency.

But they can't help themselves and insist on engaging various other political endeavors which they just aren't good at but probably sounds good when they brag about it to their friends at dinner parties. Like operating 'online spaces' for African lesbian women in tech or whatever the heck they're calling it, which amounts to them somehow blowing millions of dollars to host a mastadon instance, which isn't needed by anybody because all the marginalized groups they claim to be serving already have online spaces of their own on Facebook, discord, etc.

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Post by edflsafoiewq »

harpiaharpyja wrote: post #76

I feel like this question is a decade too late, but FF is open source right? Why hasn't Mozilla been jettisoned years ago?

Because a living community of developers able to work on a codebase is far more valuable than the codebase itself.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by [deleted] »

PedroBatista wrote: post #14

This Mozilla "situation" comes up here from time to time, unfortunately as a long time Firefox user all I have to say is: Mitchell Baker and their clique will only leave when Mozilla is completely dead and even by that time she'll retire and will make a wonderful post about her "legacy" in opensource and the Web. I will not go further because it will turn into an all-bashing post, but Mozilla ( as you like to think o…

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Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by jmyeet »

This isn't new [1].

There's a real opportunity here. People are increasingly distrustful of, say, Google. I use it because it's still performant, cross-platform and has sync. But , like many, are increasingly leerly abou tGoogle using Chrome's position to, say, attack ad blockers.

The ultimate question is how does and should Mozilla fund itself? Well, if the CEO can't lay out a vision and deliver on that then why are they still there? Why is their compensation still increasing despite not performing?

Instead we get platitudes about "add on services". Previously it was "VPN services" and now it's "AI services"? It's almost like the future revenue plan is always " services".

[1]: https://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html

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Post by freedomben »

woodruffw wrote: post #48
freedomben wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Importantly, that was also the reason that Brendan Eich used Chromium as a base for Brave, rather than Firefox. Had that even not occurred, we might be in a position where more than one organization had a business interest is Firefox, which would be a complete game changer.

Do you have a source for this?

Not linkable, just my memory from a podcast interview at the time. IIRC the firing wasn't the only reason to go Chromium-based, but it made the decision a lot easier

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by Barrin92 »

I think the narrative provided in the article is actually reasonable. Firefox is practically dead, but even worse with Firefox almost all of Mozilla's income stream is literally just a Google handout.

The article states that revenue from services is up from 50 to 70 million. Still only about 10% of what they make from Firefox, but at least that's independent revenue, going up, directly from consumers.

Can someone please provide a rational argument, not a kneejerk emotional response why focusing on the source of revenue that is Google independent and growing is not the better way to fulfill their stated mission, that is creating a privacy respecting and open web? People are acting like Ahab and the whale when it comes to Firefox, there's no point in dumping more resources into the thing if's going down anyway and makes you subservient to a tech monopolist.

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Post by timmg »

agilob wrote: post #126
mips_r4300i wrote: post #9

"The focus for the future of Mozilla -- according to Mozilla -- is primarily based around Artificial Intelligence services." I sense a great disturbance in the Force...

Last year it was IoT

Is that true, or just a joke?

It's honestly hard to tell.

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Post by LightHugger »

sjfjsjdjwvwvc wrote: post #129
LightHugger wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as you use something better, that isnt chrome. Chrome blatant spyware that scans your whole pc ever since google had the bright idea of sneaking an "antivirus" into chrome and enabling it by default. Firefox is better that chrome, but there's lots better than firefox.

What would be an example of something better that isn’t chromium based?

Chromium based browsers and firefox forks are the two big pillars. The comment i replied to doesnt like firefox, so i would probably suggest ungoogled chromium or brave.

For non chromium based, librewolf is a clear winner for me. Waterfox is also good. Hardened firefox is also okayish but not ideal.

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