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"I don't think we discussed this topic. What kind of restrain you are talking about now? " Well, it surely is possible you did not read it, but just look above in the thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38746724 "Israel's defense minister said he has "released all restraints" on the Israel Defense Forces' troops in their fight " Militray restrain means watching where you are shooting - and not shooting if th…
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Well yes, but what if they support the initial terror attacks? Massacring dance festival attendants and people in their homes is not self defence, it is terrorism.
> Well yes, but what if they support the initial terror attacks? Even steel manning your position and assuming most of the women and children being killed (and worse) by Israel cheered the attacks (which we have no evidence is true) , no, actually, you aren't justified in massacring people just because they took pleasure in an evil thing that happened to you.
Also, it seems you are shadowbanned. You might want to reread and reflect some of your comments and then contact dang.
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No, actually it is not. Stop with this dehumanization of Palestinians. They are human beings. They are not worth less than you just because they are on the other side of the fence.
Well yes, but what if they support the initial terror attacks? Massacring dance festival attendants and people in their homes is not self defence, it is terrorism.
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"I don't think we discussed this topic. What kind of restrain you are talking about now? " Well, it surely is possible you did not read it, but just look above in the thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38746724 "Israel's defense minister said he has "released all restraints" on the Israel Defense Forces' troops in their fight " Militray restrain means watching where you are shooting - and not shooting if th…
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But the israeli defense minister literally said he ordered the IDF to give up restraint. How much more official do you want it?
And the evidence that they are following this order, is the high civilian death number.
"and if this will be sufficient to defeat Hamas."
And this is the thing - as long as the Hamas leaders are safe in Quatar and being supported by Turkey as "freedom fighters" and others - this is not a fight that can be won with just using more brute force.
To be clear, I do think Israel has a right to militarily target the Hamas - but not palestinian people as a whole. Every innocent child that dies fuels anger and new terrorism.
Even if all of Gaza is cleared and its population send to the Sinai desert - it would not really make Israel safer. It is just a really complicated conflict with very, very old roots.
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"Tens of thousands of innocent civilians and children are being massacred, it's unconscionable!" "Yes yes etc but do you condemn hamas" Literally the meme
Hamas initiated escalation, uses civilians as live shield and totally guilty in civilians deaths.
The problem is when people who speak out against the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocents are presumed evil terrorist supporters unless they also explicitly condemn Hamas.
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Well yes, but what if they support the initial terror attacks? Massacring dance festival attendants and people in their homes is not self defence, it is terrorism.
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Where is the proof for that?
A tank shooting at houses where enemy fighters were dug in?
On the other side there are lots of videos showing Hamas murdering people.
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No, obviously not all restraint. They would loose US support if they would. But the israeli defense minister literally said he ordered the IDF to give up restraint. How much more official do you want it? And the evidence that they are following this order, is the high civilian death number. "and if this will be sufficient to defeat Hamas." And this is the thing - as long as the Hamas leaders are safe in Quatar and be…
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No, obviously not all restraint. They would loose US support if they would. But the israeli defense minister literally said he ordered the IDF to give up restraint. How much more official do you want it? And the evidence that they are following this order, is the high civilian death number. "and if this will be sufficient to defeat Hamas." And this is the thing - as long as the Hamas leaders are safe in Quatar and be…
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and not acting also fuels terrorists."
So killing a child or not killing a child has the same outcome?
I don't think so, but I also think this is going nowhere.
What was it we used to hear? Their platform, their rules? The fact is people are unprincipled and will either complain about free speech or will clamor for it, or complain about censorship or clamor for it depending on point of view. I wish people were principled and stood on principle and not what dog they have in a fight.
Sadly I agree with this. It seems like the best summary of how most people treat free speech is basically: "If my side is the underdog, talk about how important it is and complain that we're being censored, and if my side is winning, talk about how it's not necessary and those people can go elsewhere" It was extremely obvious when Twitter was bought by Musk and the rules changed to favour far right wing content and r…
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> The target is Hamas "Two Thirds of Gaza War Dead Are Women and Children" -- https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15503.doc.htm
that person didn't provide source of information. Likely this is data from local authorities, aka Hamas.