Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit • Hacker News Board

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

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Post by JasonSage » Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 9:38 AM UTC

There's something I genuinely don't understand in discussions of price, which is that folks seem to want to ignore basic economics.

Something is either worth it to you or it's not. If it is worth it, and you want it, you may buy it. If it's not, then you don't buy it. The world keeps spinning.

The Tailwind folks seem to think this may be worth $150 to some people. Those people might buy it. If you think it's not worth that, it doesn't mean that those people are wrong, it means that you 1) don't understand the value or 2) the value just doesn't exist for you, and it's not for you.

Or maybe people do understand the economics of it, but there's something psychological that's more pressing: because one person doesn't find value, and sees another person that does find value, they must defend or justify their own value assessment and confront the opposition. I'm sure there's a name for this, but I don't know it off-hand.

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

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Post by EMM_386 » Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 9:41 AM UTC

troupo wrote: post #107

EMM_386 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why does Tailwind not build framework agnostic UI components? For the same reasons that PrimeFaces has PrimeNg (Angular), PrimeReact, and PrimeVue. Given the way all the different stuff works together, that's the way it has to be done. I'm still amazed they're asking for $299 for this! Prime is MIT licensed. "Here, clone our repo on GitHub and do whatever you want!". Professional support is paid. It looks good, it…

> I'm still amazed they're asking for $299 for this! Because building things costs money

> Because building things costs money

I already addressed this in my post.

PrimeTek's web component libraries are MIT licensed. They seem to still be going strong after 15 years.

This, apparently, is quite doable.

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

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Post by Popeyes » Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 10:12 AM UTC

Tailwind Templates are the new Wordpress themes.

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

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Post by radel » Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 10:25 AM UTC

Cannot be unseen: radio buttons are not symmetrical (chrome 120 on ubuntu)

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

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Post by tsp » Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 10:40 AM UTC

lucasyvas wrote: post #84

Unfortunately, I'm going to have to dunk on the irony of developing a CSS-first toolkit then only releasing headless React components. At least if you used Svelte or WebComponents directly you could compile them down to bind to other frameworks. I'm not a React hater, but it's time for React-only support for UI toolkits to end. There are other compelling frameworks that are also worth using that are better choices in…

I’m disappointed they went with React as well. There are definitely more innovative frameworks (my favorites: Vue and Svelte). But I do understand the Tailwind team - it is an economic decision. React (still) dominates.

Going framework-agnostic is (currently) not a good approach imo. The developer experience would suffer too much. I hope in the future agnostic UI kits become a thing, but the tooling around this approach needs to change first.

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

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Post by blowski » Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 10:42 AM UTC

ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #59

tipiirai wrote: post #46

This is an unbelievably unfinished UI library. Especially with a price tag. A limited set of components with very little attention to detail. For example, the buttons lack the active state completely. Why would I pay €250 for something I can find easily for free?

This is unfortunately the whole space around Tailwind and UI kits. Incomplete kits which look the same and are all priced highly. Just look at Catalyst, Shadcn and Radix UI. I don't know what's new in all of this. These are used by "agencies".

> These are used by "agencies"

Oh my word, the horror! What's wrong with agencies?

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

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Post by kookamamie » Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 10:43 AM UTC

The dark themed combo-boxes are broken in terms of the item visibility. Only the active/selected item is readable, the rest are using a font color matching the background of the item box.

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

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Post by ShoneRL » Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 11:01 AM UTC

I feel like this doesn't belong on the front page, not really trying to be negative here but it's a quite sloppy UI kit for something I don't like (Tailwind, after extensive research & some usage).

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 11:10 AM UTC

EMM_386 wrote: post #152

troupo wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm still amazed they're asking for $299 for this! Because building things costs money

> Because building things costs money I already addressed this in my post. PrimeTek's web component libraries are MIT licensed. They seem to still be going strong after 15 years. This, apparently, is quite doable.

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Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

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Post by troupo » Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 11:13 AM UTC

EMM_386 wrote: post #152

troupo wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm still amazed they're asking for $299 for this! Because building things costs money

> Because building things costs money I already addressed this in my post. PrimeTek's web component libraries are MIT licensed. They seem to still be going strong after 15 years. This, apparently, is quite doable.

It's doable if it's not your primary business, and you're willing to put in lots of hours for no compensation.

Others don't want to do that.