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Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

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Post by danpalmer »

mlrtime wrote: post #133
danpalmer wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Chat bots type a lot faster than call center pay-grade humans. Most chat bots I've interacted with have artificial delays and typing indicators that remove this one advantage in favour of instead gaslighting me about what I'm talking to.

How do you tell the difference between an artificial delay and a slow API endpoint? Are we measuring all the response times and looking a distribution?

A 10-20 second delay for a line or two of text feels artificial to me. Many chatbots now have the "..." pop up for a few periods within that time to suggest someone is typing as well.

Maybe they do have a really slow API, but those sort of response times are uncommon and when the chat window and everything else about it seems to be working much faster, I think it's a reasonable conclusion to draw that it's artificial.

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

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Post by cjbgkagh »

tomashubelbauer wrote: post #104
MichaelRo wrote: post #54

I never understand people who engage with chat bots as customer service. I find them deeply upsetting, not one step above the phone robot on Vodafone support: "press 1 for internet problems" ... "press 2 to be transferred to a human representative". Only problem is going through like 7 steps until I can reach that human, then waiting some 30 minutes until the line is free. But it's the only approach that gets anythin…

Free tip for folks - this doesn't work every time (unfortunately), but sometimes just spamming and mashing numbers gets you to the operator faster than going through the stupid call tree. I guess it depends on how the default is set up in the software, Asterisk of whatever it would be. From my experience it seems you can either set up the call tree to restart from the root if you get out of its bounds or to default t…

Speaking gibberish sometimes works as well. Grab a dictionary and speak random words.

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

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Post by bumby »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #142
bumby wrote: post #105

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Anytime a solution to a potentially complex problem is to the tune of "all you've got to do is..." may be an indicator that it's not a well thought out solution.

> This response is confusing. The point isn’t “considering something is worthless” but rather “considering something superficially tends to lead to poor outcomes” Replying here as the thread won't allow for more. But I'm not following what you are meaning then. I'm not seeing the outcome from Chevy being poor, any more than "inspect element" would be poor.

The thread will allow replies given a delay that’s sufficient to try to avoid knee-jerk responses. Pretty ironic (or telling) that you responded in this way given the context of the discussion.

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

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Post by tomashubelbauer »

cjbgkagh wrote: post #152
tomashubelbauer wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free tip for folks - this doesn't work every time (unfortunately), but sometimes just spamming and mashing numbers gets you to the operator faster than going through the stupid call tree. I guess it depends on how the default is set up in the software, Asterisk of whatever it would be. From my experience it seems you can either set up the call tree to restart from the root if you get out of its bounds or to default t…

Speaking gibberish sometimes works as well. Grab a dictionary and speak random words.

This reminds me that sometimes when the mashing of random numbers doesn't work, I'll repeat "OPERATOR! OPERATOR! OPERATOR!" at the machine until it yields. I guess it works by the same mechanism whereby the call audio is analyzed on the fly and if the algorithm determines the overlap with the corpus of terms at which it was trained is too low it will connect you to a human. Creepy if that's the case though.

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

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Post by paxys »

hackernewds wrote: post #145
paxys wrote: post #124

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"I need an SUV for my family of 5. Which one should I buy?" "What is the gas mileage of the Chevy Colorado?" "What electric vehicles are in your lineup?" "What is the difference between the Sport and Performance models of the Equinox?" Feed the LLM the latest spec sheet as context and give it a few instructions ("act as a Chevy sales rep", "only recommend Chevy brand vehicles", "be very biased in favor of Chevy...")…

that "easily" is carrying a lot of weight. notwithstanding how AI is simply vulnerable to SQL injection / CB's example / etc, except unbounded through natural language

Sure it is vulnerable to prompt injection, but the only one affected by it is the person doing the prompting. Outside of "haha look I made it say a funny thing" there is really no side effect and no disruption for regular users of the service.

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

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Post by Piskvorrr »

MichaelRo wrote: post #54

I never understand people who engage with chat bots as customer service. I find them deeply upsetting, not one step above the phone robot on Vodafone support: "press 1 for internet problems" ... "press 2 to be transferred to a human representative". Only problem is going through like 7 steps until I can reach that human, then waiting some 30 minutes until the line is free. But it's the only approach that gets anythin…

Chat bots are, IMNSHO, anti-customer service: a way to keep the customers placated "something is happening with my problem" so that the call center isn't overwhelmed (in other words, "woo, cheaper call center for company!")

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

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Post by peddling-brink »

hackernewds wrote: post #136
sorenjan wrote: post #7

Someone on Reddit got a really nice love story between a Chevy Tahoe and Chevy Chase from it. https://imgur.com/vfHGHW6 https://imgur.com/JSjNC2c https://old.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/18kjwcj/why_pay_ind...

this seems ripe for a competition or a prankster to blow up their API budget could be significant enough to cause a dip in the stock?

They probably have a billing limit.

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

bumby wrote: post #148
bluGill wrote: post #125

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Some of those humans had a script that was useful and thus worth going through - 99% of the time your issue is the same as the one everyone else is having. Maybe you check before calling things like it is plugged in, but even then there are many common problems and since you don't have the checklist they need to go through it to see what item on the checklist you forgot. What humans do well though is listen - the 1 m…

> Every chatbot I've worked ends up failing because I use some word or phrasing in my description that wasn't in their script This is an interesting insight I’ve experienced as well. It makes me wonder if the use of chatbots becoming more and more prevalent will eventually habitualize humans into specific speech patterns. Kinda like the homogenization of suburban America by capitalism, where most medium sized towns s…

So the chatbots are going to program us to work with them, since we can't program them to work with us?

I for one do not welcome our new robot overlords.

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

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Post by iLoveOncall »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #65
iLoveOncall wrote: post #4

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There's no such thing as a filtered LLM output. How do you plan on avoiding leaks or "side effects" like the tweet here? If you just look for keywords in the output, I'll ask ChatGPT to encode its answers in base64. You can literally always bypass any safeguard.

But what's the point of doing all of that? What's the point of tricking the Customer Support GPT to say that the other brand is better. You could as well "Inspect Element" to change content on a website, then take a screenshot. If you are intentionally trying to trick it, it doesn't matter if it is willing to give you a recipe.

In this specific case there isn't, but yesterday one of the top posts was about extracting private documents from writers.com for example.

https://promptarmor.substack.com/p/data-exfiltration-from-wr...

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