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Air traffic controllers pushed to the brink

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Trains are running more safely, efficiently, elegantly, and reliably than both cars and airplanes, and they have consistently done so with a much longer track record.

Not Amtrak. Worst excuse for a railroad ever.

I don't love Amtrak on the East Coast. But on the West Coast, it can be really nice. Coach on the West Coast is like Acela on the East Coast. Even the cheapest seats have nice tables with outlets, and the views on the Pacific Surfliner can't be beat!

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Interestingly, in 2022 the FCC changed the range of acceptable EKG requirements for heart health required for pilots; previously the PR had to be between 0.12 to 0.2, and they widened it to 0.12 to 0.3. That would have allowed pilots with mild cardio injury (who are more likely to suddenly pass out) to fly.

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Per the comment thread, this doesn't have perfect explanatory power: drivers and ATC have also recorded statistically significant declines over the same time period. In other words: remote schooling may have had a negative effect on ACT scores, but all evidence points to it not being the only (or even primary) effect.

Regarding this thread, I really want to caution on the desire to automatically assign worse car crash rates to covid-19 infections, or any other specific cause. Car crashes and ATC mistakes are two different sets of data. Just because they are going up or down at the same time and you can overlay some other event on top of it means absolutely nothing on its own. There are a lot more reasons that car crash rates can b…

Distractions might be going up in cars, but I’d guess that’s offset by automatic crash avoidance systems that’s also going up in cars.

Re: Air traffic controllers pushed to the brink

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Car accidents are up as well, less so this year than last. Both Air traffic and Car accidents have been up since 2020. Its not unique to Air traffic control. https://www.forbes.com/sites/tanyamohn/2023/09/28/road-crash... Its also happening worldwide, more air traffic near misses in the EU alongside road accidents as well. I suspect its world wide.

I followed road traffic safety since 2020 closely (and have submitted and posted about it here) and traffic fatalities is slowly coming down since 2020. My hypothesis about it was that the empty roads in 2020 caused drivers to degenerate in terms of road manners. For example, deaths per mile actually increased in 2020 despite people driving fewer miles which suggests people drove less safely.

On the other hand this article says there was a 65% increase in significant incidents from the year prior to Sept. 30. So I think these are two different issues.

Re: Air traffic controllers pushed to the brink

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ACT test scores have plummeted too. Combined with what we know about the physical brain changes that can be observed after a single mild infection, it all paints a potentially concerning relationship with COVID.

This might be the worst real example of a jump to conclusions based on a casual correlation I have seen in my entire life. I don't even know how to properly deconstruct how irresponsible this style of thinking is, it's just so flabbergasting. In science you can't just draw lines on the wall between random shit like you're Charlie Day in It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. ACT scores are very obviously not a product of…

Not sure of the specifics, but often shortage of labour leads to lowering of standards of training/min experience required as well.

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#156

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What about the effects of an extremely wide and extremely quick deployment of a novel vaccine (under threat of being fired)?

What does "novel vaccine" mean?

A vaccine that had a significant impact on a notable percentage of the population 24 months before widespread uptake.

The Thiotimoline of vaccines.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Historical_Average_A...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiotimoline

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https://www.youtube.com/@VASAviation posts ATC audio and a visualization a day after such incidents happen. Fantastic channel, if a bit too addictive.

I just discovered this channel a few days ago and I’ve been hooked to it since then. Another channel I’ve been enjoying is https://youtube.com/@YouCanSeeATC

Re: Air traffic controllers pushed to the brink

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post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Per the comment thread, this doesn't have perfect explanatory power: drivers and ATC have also recorded statistically significant declines over the same time period. In other words: remote schooling may have had a negative effect on ACT scores, but all evidence points to it not being the only (or even primary) effect.

Regarding this thread, I really want to caution on the desire to automatically assign worse car crash rates to covid-19 infections, or any other specific cause. Car crashes and ATC mistakes are two different sets of data. Just because they are going up or down at the same time and you can overlay some other event on top of it means absolutely nothing on its own. There are a lot more reasons that car crash rates can b…

> Car crashes and ATC mistakes are two different sets of data. Just because they are going up or down at the same time and you can overlay some other event on top of it means absolutely nothing on its own.

A good time to dust off this classic:

https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

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It really blows my mind that the space shuttle was really so sound and safe even though I want to argue that it could have been far better. I mean this compared to SpaceX stuff blowing up a bunch before it gets the kinks worked out - I don't remember seeing or hearing about any prototype shuttles blowing up but it was before my time.

17000000 Deaths per billion flights for the space shuttle is not safe. This is more than 2,000 times more dangerous than skydiving, which is also not very safe.

It was significantly worse than that.

There were 2 failures over a total of 135 flights, with 14 fatalities. So that's about 103 fatalities per 1000 flights.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle

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Do pilots have any tools detect conflicting runway use? Like, I would imagine light patterns would mark a runway as take-off, landing, or neither (plane crossing, etc). A pilot told to land on a runway not lit for landing would know something's wrong, and planes would know not to line up on a runway lit for landing, etc.

You mean like this: https://skybrary.aero/articles/runway-status-lights-rwsl ? Or https://skybrary.aero/articles/runway-awareness-and-advisory... ?
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