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He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

submeta wrote: post #62

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I respect your choice to cancel your Amazon account for your own reasons, no matter what my opinion may be of the either the company, the effect it may have, or which side of the argument you're supporting by doing it.

It's an act that shows the will to change ones self for the better, of which there should be more (not specific to boycotting).

What "feels" right or wrong to each individual is different, but the world would probably be a better place if everyone listened a little bit more to that feeling (at least in how they act in and of themselves, as opposed to being prescriptive to others about it).

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Post by warbeforepeace »

zakki wrote: post #113
rmbyrro wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the Hamas attack against Israel ONLY targeted civilians and OP isn't protesting.

Is there any company that provide support for Hamas? Inform OP so he can protest like he did to Amazon-Israel.

This thread is probably generating more profit for amazon than a dozen of her purchases. This is hosted on aws.

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Post by andrepd »

bradley13 wrote: post #75
submeta wrote: post #62

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I'm not quite sure what your objection is? Are you generally against companies providing services related to warfare? Or are you specifically against providing services for the Israel/Gaza conflict? If the former - if you are generally protesting commercial services for the military - then there are a lot of companies you need to boycott, before you get around to Amazon. Amazon is a small fish in the sea. If the latt…

Appalling take on almost every front.

1. "Are you protesting X, why not Y and Z" boring rethoric, I will not even elaborate

2. "Cancelling your amazon account has no impact" well for crying out loud, what are they as an individual supposed to do, lobby the US State Department? Apart from direct action and writing on the Internet about it, not much you can do about a trillion dollar company.

3. "But what about hamas" You don't have to be pro-terrorist to recognise that Israel has attacked civilian targets indiscriminately, repeatedly bombed areas that it had declared safe for refugees, tallies civilian casualties together with military as "enemies killed", etc. It's frankly disgusting to think this can be in any way excused. This is not even to mention how hardliners like Bibi have themselves strengthened Hamas to sabotage the two-state solution.

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Post by warbeforepeace »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #151
submeta wrote: post #62

[flagged]

I respect your choice to cancel your Amazon account for your own reasons, no matter what my opinion may be of the either the company, the effect it may have, or which side of the argument you're supporting by doing it. It's an act that shows the will to change ones self for the better, of which there should be more (not specific to boycotting). What "feels" right or wrong to each individual is different, but the worl…

Cancelling your amazon account and posting about it on a service run by aws is pretty comical.

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Post by warbeforepeace »

andrepd wrote: post #153
bradley13 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not quite sure what your objection is? Are you generally against companies providing services related to warfare? Or are you specifically against providing services for the Israel/Gaza conflict? If the former - if you are generally protesting commercial services for the military - then there are a lot of companies you need to boycott, before you get around to Amazon. Amazon is a small fish in the sea. If the latt…

Appalling take on almost every front. 1. "Are you protesting X, why not Y and Z" boring rethoric, I will not even elaborate 2. "Cancelling your amazon account has no impact" well for crying out loud, what are they as an individual supposed to do, lobby the US State Department? Apart from direct action and writing on the Internet about it, not much you can do about a trillion dollar company. 3. "But what about hamas"…

Cancelling your amazon account then posting on a site run on aws (where amazon makes its real money) wont do anything.

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

sgjohnson wrote: post #54
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As our report describes in detail, the labor conditions of incarcerated workers in many U.S. prisons violate the most fundamental human rights to life and dignity,” said Clinical Prof. Claudia Flores, the director of the Global Human Rights Clinic. “In any other workplace, these conditions would be shocking and plainly unlawful https://news.uchicago.edu/story/us-prison-labor-programs-vio...

The US constitution actually allows slavery/involuntary servitude as a punishment for a crime, as per the 13th amendment: > Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. So it makes little sense to compare prison labour programs to "any other workplace".

> makes little sense to compare prison labour programs to "any other workplace"

Either it's force labour, or it's not. You can't get away with things just by slapping a different label on them.

> The US constitution actually allows slavery

If a Chinese person posted here "actually all the human rights abuses in China are perfectly legal and in accordance with Chinese law" you would not be impressed.

We wouldn't be like "alright, nothing to see here". In fact, we would probably be horrified that the inhumane system was codified officially, and is here to stay, as opposed to being a temporary result of oversight and corruption.

So forgive the international reader like myself for being extremely unimpressed with this state of affairs.

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Post by andrepd »

free652 wrote: post #139
kossTKR wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More than 6000 thousand kids have died in the span of 2 months or so. The most powerful militaries in the world, and more than 12.000 civilians already dead, packed together tightly as in a prison with nowhere to flee bombs raining down on them. I don't get why anyone can support that. No matter the pretext. History going back over 75 years with so much suffering on both sides, but death tolls magnitudes larger on th…

According to Hamas, right? When someone throws numbers directly from Hamas, that someone lost all credibility.

No, according to the IDF, which disgustingly lumps together civilian and military casualties.

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Post by globalnode »

sgjohnson wrote: post #6

Slavery is de-facto legal in China and their justice system is rotten to the core. Is this really news to anyone? I would be surprised if this had ended differently.

this is news to me. although i understand they have different systems im not sure ive ever heard it called slavery... do they? (i guess you could say some of the systems in western countries are a little like slavery but lets not get into that)

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Post by mr_toad »

bambax wrote: post #85
PaulKeeble wrote: post #16

My experience of whistleblowing even here in the west is that usually it goes very very badly. The only real thing open to you is to refuse to do anything unethical, quit and walk away. Many people can't afford to do that. Things ought to be different but we live in corrupt societies where the law is different for the rich and powerful than for everyone else.

Of course, but I don't think it's specific to "the west" or "corrupt societies". It's human nature. If you're part of a group and you speak against the group, esp. to another group , the group will move to destroy you. It doesn't matter if you're right; it doesn't matter if the group is doing bad things; it doesn't matter if speaking up will help save lives. The function of the group is to survive as a group; it will…

If you’re a good guy you’re “a member of the public”. If you’re a bad guy you’re “an individual”.
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