Who makes the most reliable new cars?

Post by TulliusCicero » Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 9:05 PM UTC

EnergyAmy wrote: post #147

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To be fair, exactly that level of investment in process and conservatism around change is arguably what led them all (literally every single Japanese manufacturer) to miss the boat on EVs. Basically, getting to your last sentence: you have the wrong threat model. Making "cars better" is great if what a "car" is doesn't change. But what the market wants is "better cars".

Every single Japanese manufacturer? Nissan has been and is doing great with the Leaf. They discontinued recently, but only to replace it with a new EV, not because it was doing badly.

Post by opencl » Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 9:16 PM UTC

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From the article: > Cars, including sedans, hatchbacks, and wagons, remain the most reliable vehicle type, with an average reliability rating of 57 (on a scale of 0 to 100), followed by SUVs (50) and minivans (45). “Sedans have fallen out of favor with consumers, but as a class they are very reliable,” says Jake Fisher, senior director of auto testing at Consumer Reports. “They often have less of the latest technolog…

> Pickup trucks come in last, with an average reliability rating of 41 That surprises me because I've browsed a lot of use vehicles and it seems to me like pickups can go to way higher miles than cars. I see a lot of them still run fine with 150,000+ miles Maybe the owners are more willing to pay for major repairs though since getting a new one is so expensive?

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 9:19 PM UTC

doubled112 wrote: post #97

jansan wrote: post #28

From my years at a major car supplier I know that Toyota was never interested in our latest developments, even if we offered them at a cheaper prize. They only purchased components that had been in use for other cars. I own a Toyota Avensis. It is the most boring car in the world, but I never ever had any issues with it. Mine is the second facelift, built in 2015, based on a chassis that had been in production since…

> They are very reasonable cars I've been asked a few times "what car would you buy?" and my answer is always something along the lines of "if you need to ask, you shouldn't buy a car that I'd buy". Why don't I own a Toyota? Because they're boring. Boring is actually what most people are looking for in a car. I need a little excitement in my commute. Maybe something starts spraying. Maybe something starts smoking. Ma…

Post by EnergyAmy » Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 9:21 PM UTC

TulliusCicero wrote: post #151

EnergyAmy wrote: post #147

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Every single Japanese manufacturer? Nissan has been and is doing great with the Leaf. They discontinued recently, but only to replace it with a new EV, not because it was doing badly.

No, they're not, not really. At least not in the US anyway. In Q3 this year, Nissan is in 10th place, with 6000 EV's sold: https://caredge.com/guides/electric-vehicle-market-share-and... If you look at numbers from a couple years ago compared to now, most of the other manufacturers are way up, whereas Nissan almost looks like they've already plateaued. Also, apparently the Leaf successor won't go into production unti…

Post by tomatotomato37 » Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 9:26 PM UTC

eweise wrote: post #89

jerlam wrote: post #77

This article seems quite similar to the one posted two days ago on HN about Brother printers - they're great because they have very low innovation. The top car brands - Lexus/Toyota, Acura/Honda, Subaru, and Mazda - have been widely scolded for not trying very hard to build EVs and would rather refine the same exact ICE cars for decades.

Subaru and Mazda are fairly small so I wouldn't expect a lot of R&D from them. Toyota has been really successful with hybrid which to me, seem like the best solution until EV range cost, and infrastructure improve.