quite shitty browser to be honest.
Orion Browser by Kagi
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#152Gets stuck on major websites. The extension support sounds extremely fishy: I could install uBlock Origin, but either they are violating the Apple AppStore rules, or the extensions aren't actually working (fake API, not really implemented).
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
Telemetry would allow them to make their product better for more people and know where to invest to benefit their users more. In this case proitability is proxy for how much value people get from the proxy. The thought that something is bad because it is profitable is misguided.
From your point of view, does using telemetry have downsides? No concept of misleading info or bad product development direction from using it?
>does using telemetry have downsides?
The main downside is the extra work and cost of getting it all set up, properly cleaning up unneeded telemetry, and making sure telemetry itself doesn't cause performance issues.
>No concept of misleading info or bad product development direction from using it?
Telemetry doesn't replace a strong protect sense, but without telemetry you are flying blind.
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#154I tried daily driving Orion for a couple weeks and there's a lot of great work being done, but I had some pain points. The extension functionality on iPadOS is really jank in a way I don't quite know how to explain. Like sometimes I come back to Orion and the extensions are signed out of or sometimes they straight up just don't work. I've also had some bad one off experiences of random sites taking a long time to load or running into issues. Orion plays really well with Safari though, which is great, so I run a very strange combo of Orion on my iPhone, Safari on my iPad, and Arc on my Mac. There's enough additions on top of Safari for me to prefer Orion over it (if it works well), but not enough for me to prefer it over Arc on my Mac. Arc's QOL features and out the box UI design just put it way above any browser I've used.
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#155I am genuinely curious why there is a different build for every release of macOS?
We ship optimized version of WebKit for each macOS.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
Telemetry can be privacy respecting. For example it may be useful to know the average page load time. The browser could record 100 different page loads and then send the median time.
It almost can not by definition, as every telemetry will include user IP address which is considered PII. Regardless what the stated purpose of that telemetry was, private information will leak and that browser can not be calling itself privacy respecting. Zero telemetry by default is the only way a browser respects user privacy. If the user opts-in into telemetry then obviously it is user's choice, but usually brows…
Every single site you visit will get your IP. That is now the web works. Most sites will be logging your IP.
Re: Orion Browser by Kagi
#158I am hopeful for its development but it’s not a daily driver for me. Too many bugs, not a large enough team to support it. When I have looked at the support forum the developer is sometimes a little hostile about bugs/issues, enough so that I don’t care to report my own issues. This is a subjective statement your experience may differ.
Yeah. What a waste of time for Kagi. Isn’t search hard enough? Wouldn’t that dev time be better spent on their main product?
I agree. I love Kagi search but this seems to have no unique features over other browsers. You are better off using your otherwise favourite browser and changing the default search engine as far as I can tell.
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#159I've been using it for a while as my main browser and it suffers from all of the usual issues that early development stage browsers have: bugs, memory leaks. The bugs are nasty as well, I'm sometimes forced to switch back to Firefox: one example is once there was a build that crashed my browser when I opened a new tab in tree view. The extension support is in progress as well. UBlock Origin and BitWarden work, but YN…
Orion has actually triggered two kernel panics for me in the past week. It's easy on battery life though, so I've been using it still when I'm on the go.
Last time I had kernel panics was because I had hardware issues. I doubt Orion is causing this.
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#160As a paying Kagi user, please don't waste my money on this when Firefox already exists.
This is how I feel about Vlad's statement on their Discord that he wants to provide email services. That strikes me as a big project in terms of both development and operations, somewhat contrary to their privacy focus, and not something that their users are asking for (on Discord, I'd say that most commenters said they were unlikely to use it any time soon, switching would be too much of a hassle). And while I subsc…
Completely agree with you that Kagi e-mail will be unnecessary, even though I trust them on privacy. There are already great e-mail providers, such as Fastmail. But it makes some sense for them to go for e-mail, since they're already hitting Google on search. They're basically going after Google where it's possible: search, web browser, e-mail. They can't go after Google on maps or video streaming, so they do what they can. I'd much rather they innovate and get ready for the future of the internet after AI has destroyed traditional discovery.