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Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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Yeah, the craziest thing for me to come out of this was how everyone in HN just assumed he was "innocent". Poor poor sam altman, he's a victim. He comes across as a sleazebag to me.

I think most of what you saw as support of Sam was support of ChatGPT as a consumer and b2b product, which is pretty clearly his baby and was put at risk by this drastic change. A _lot_ of people on this site are betting their futures on this technology right now and would very much not like to see that boat rocked.

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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This whole saga whiffs of Machiavellianism

I would not be surprised if this is the beginning of the end for the company.

Nah. Microsoft still exist and is thriving. Altman is the new Bill Gates except he is better at retaining ~~cul~~ employees. Many at HN love him for those qualities.

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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It's oh so weird the article does not mention any of these though... - https://twitter.com/phuckfilosophy/status/163570439893983232... (SA's sister - also have a look at her recent posts) - Also: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QDczBduZorG4dxZiW/sam-altman... (utterly distressing) - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1727096607752282485 (check the comment with snapshots of the letter - "strangely" that Gist was dele…

nitter link https://nitter.net/ajayjuneja/status/1727117041977766182#m

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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I've had the 'chance' to work with some deeply manipulative persons in the past, the kind who goes to your desk and say 'Hey, I noticed you started to speak to X again, and your performance seems to suffer as a result", where X is a friendly colleague that opposed some plan of that person. It is incredibly difficult to keep those people in check as all that behaviour is off the record and impossible to prove. When pe…

This whole saga whiffs of Machiavellianism

On just Sam’s part or all around? Seems like there might be quite a lot of it.

Sam gives me a manipulative vibe but the way he was booted with knives out was also pretty gross. No clue what else was going on behind the scenes.

Edit: if the people who booted him were really doing it in the name of safety paranoia, that doesn’t mean it wasn’t Machiavellian. The motive can be whatever but conspiring to boot someone like that is still a knife in the back.

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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I've had the 'chance' to work with some deeply manipulative persons in the past, the kind who goes to your desk and say 'Hey, I noticed you started to speak to X again, and your performance seems to suffer as a result", where X is a friendly colleague that opposed some plan of that person. It is incredibly difficult to keep those people in check as all that behaviour is off the record and impossible to prove. When pe…

I find it hard to believe this was the kind of environment he was cultivating at OpenAI if 95% of the staff were ready to follow him out the door. I've worked for the type of people you mention and no one followed them when they leave. 95% threatening to leave in this case is hard to ignore.

I don't know anything about the specific situation, but in general this is totally possible with a tyrannical leader.

If he does come back and you didn't sign, he'll make your life hell; if he comes back and you did sign, you will be rewarded for your loyalty.

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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From Garry Tan ~2 Months ago: https://twitter.com/garrytan/status/1702561008190165448

> The scariest sociopaths are the ones you let in to your house, who met your family, who you broke bread with

> ...

In a comment:

> Just heard some disturbing news about someone who I once thought highly of

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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> Though full reasoning for Altman’s initial firing is still unclear, one person familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters, pointed to Altman’s aggressive fundraising efforts for a chips venture with autocratic regimes in the Middle East, which raised concerns about the use of AI to facilitate state surveillance and human rights abuses.

That's a concern of mine from one year ago when ChatGPT exploded: Altman holds a feeble position as a zero-equity co-founder of a non-profit. He should be enabled to become a stinking rich SV mogul of some sort, or at least have his existence tied to substantial equity. Otherwise, having power but no (huge, absurd) money, or promises thereof, from his commitment to OpenAI will only boost these side gigs or even future coups. He's an ambitious and powerful leader and entrepreneur, he should be compensated accordingly so that OpenAI goals become aligned to his own.

Somehow the new board's powerful oversight goals should be leveraged with valuable equity for Altman (and other key people, employees) or equivalent. Create a path to a for-profit, consolidate the Incs and LLCs floating around - OpenAI has a complex structure for such a young enterprise. He has a comfortable upper hand right now (employees, Ilya, a resigning board, MSFT), so this is the moment to rewrite OpenAI's charter.

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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If Elizabeth Holmes had been able to pull off some successful product that made a lot of money, no doubt all the "fake it 'til you make it" she did at the beginning (showing demos that didn't work, sending tests to outside labs and saying they were run on their equipment) would have been forgiven no doubt. Just another nostalgic Silicon Valley "hustler" story.

Only that Theranos product was techically impossible. Which makes the whole thing even crazier, nobody did even the slightest due dilligence there. Seems to be par of th cours so, other exhibits are FTX and WeWork.

The core FTX crypto exchange business was very profitable. But Alameda wasn't. Also everyone at FTX was committing fraud.

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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> 95% of the staff were ready to follow him out the door. I'd rephrase that to: - "95% of the staff were ready to follow him and join Microsoft" Amid so much confusion and uncertainty, the prospect of joining Microsoft through an acquihire would appear quite appealing and like the safest choice. This sentiment is strengthened considering the team's approval of Sam's leadership.

I don't work there, but can guarantee that 100% of the staff wanted to be paid. They're going to follow the person that is going to make them generational wealth.

Working at Microsoft doesn’t give you generational wealth like it doesn working on an AI startup, with a few exceptions. These AI researchers are in huge demand at plenty of companies and investors. It’s equally as plausible they just want to keep working with this collection of very smart people on the cutting edge of AI rather than have to start over from scratch somewhere else, as OpenAI was basically DOA under new coup leadership.

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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"how everyone in HN just assumed he was "innocent"." My impression was rather a overwhelmingly "wtf is going on?" edit: I still don't know enough, to judge anyone involved

People love to see things in black and white without nuance, "oh you think the board should reverse the decision, that must mean you think Altman was innocent and should never be fired!". My read was that most people here (at least on sunday and monday) viewed the board as making major missteps, that doesn't mean all of HN is "team sam"

It’s just another hot take instant reaction of a new headline. Social media threads on controversial topics are always a whiplash, people love the swings in narratives, the opportunity to be contrarian or superior to the other people commenting on the topic, because they knew better.

A new headline by a journo seeking their own clickbait angle comes out and the flood of “See it was really just [black/white] position and you were all wrong” is the most classic stereotypical social media take to a now past it’s prime story, when IRL it’s as nuanced and shades of grey as ever.

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