OpenAI investors try to get Sam Altman back as CEO after sudden firing • Hacker News Board

Re: OpenAI investors try to get Sam Altman back as CEO after sudden firing

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Post by ben_w » Mon, Nov 20, 2023, 5:57 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #70

dontupvoteme wrote: post #47

Well that's curtains for the concept of safety in AI.

The idea of "safety" by self-restraint was always ludicrous. It would disintegrate like a snowflake under a blowtorch in pursuit of profit. Mind you, the risk of "AI" acting on its own is massively exaggerated. It's AI-wielding humans who are the real unalignable threat.

> Mind you, the risk of "AI" acting on its own is massively exaggerated. It's AI-wielding humans who are the real unalignable threat.

IMO depends where you draw the line between "AI acting on its own" and "person takes AI that shouldn't be left unsupervised, sets it going in an infinite loop, leaves it unsupervised, then it explodes" (so far mostly in small ways and in the face of the person who did it, which is basically fine, but still, where do you draw the line?)

Re: OpenAI investors try to get Sam Altman back as CEO after sudden firing

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Post by wddkcs » Mon, Nov 20, 2023, 7:25 PM UTC

15457345234 wrote: post #144

wddkcs wrote: post #143

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Unless Sam was using the AI to commit satanic sacrifices, it's hard to see what warrants expulsion at all, let alone immediate termination. If they did have such a compelling reason to stuff their own reputation, they did a horrible job communicating it.

> they did a horrible job communicating it I think their communication is perfectly professional. You're just expecting some weird tell-all because that's how this sector weirdly chooses to operate, just blurting shit out on twitter then thinking about the consequences later. The wording of their press release is wonderfully professional. Discreet, generic, succinct. That's how things should be done. It's the other s…

Ilya's latest tweet speaks for itself. Nothing about this was professional -

"I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions. I never intended to harm OpenAI. I love everything we've built together and I will do everything I can to reunite the company."

https://twitter.com/ilyasut/status/1726590052392956028?t=DjA...

Re: OpenAI investors try to get Sam Altman back as CEO after sudden firing

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Post by jrflowers » Tue, Nov 21, 2023, 12:12 AM UTC

trashtester wrote: post #149

jrflowers wrote: post #116

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Exactly, that’s why the investors should get to fire the board of the charity

Which board? The board of the for-profit subsidiary or the non-profit parent?

Yes

Re: OpenAI investors try to get Sam Altman back as CEO after sudden firing

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Post by Johnny555 » Tue, Nov 21, 2023, 10:52 PM UTC

15457345234 wrote: post #142

Johnny555 wrote: post #141

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>You think they just acted on a whim? Why? Because they fired him on Friday due to unspecified "lack of trust" issues and now, 2 days later, the new interim CEO is reportedly in talks to hire him back? Do you not see why this looks like they fired him on a whim?

> the new interim CEO is reportedly in talks to hire him back? Literally nobody unbiased is reporting this. This reporting is _all_ coming from 'their side.' You are inside the smoke and mirrors if you can't see that.

Several days later and it's been continued to have been widely reported (backed up by Sam himself), and now this quote from Bloomberg today:

new interim CEO Emmett Shear is involved in mediating these negotiations, creating the frankly unprecedented situation where (1) the interim CEO who replaced (2) the interim CEO who replaced Sam and who (3) got replaced for trying to get Sam back is now (4) deeply involved in a new effort to get Sam back

Explain to me how this was a well thought out transition and not done on a whim? Even the new CEO who was put into place after the interim CEO is trying to get Altman back.