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Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by amazingman »

User23 wrote: post #144
imiric wrote: post #54

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> Soviet atheists [...] religious faction. You're confusing atheism for a religion. Those murders were conducted by oppressive governments with a specific agenda, that didn't come from some atheist scripture. > What you’re describing is a people problem, not a religion problem. It's a problem of organized groups of people motivated by a collective ideology. This is manifested primarily by religions, since most religi…

> You're confusing atheism for a religion. Atheism is a religion. Atheists observably claim to have achieved gnosis. It’s agnosticism that is an absence of belief.

Agnostic atheism is a form of atheism. Atheism isn't a religion. It's not even a belief. It's just a lack of a specific kind of belief. Are there gnostic atheists? Sure. But even that is just a belief, and not a religion.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by [deleted] »

hutzlibu wrote: post #136
rufus_foreman wrote: post #130

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>> The First Amendment says that religion and government should remain separate That's not what it says. The US can't officially be Catholic. Nor can it officially be Protestant. That's what the first amendment says.

Well, I am not a american, but as far as I understand it, it does say it. "The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prevents the government from making laws that: regulate an establishment of religion; prohibit the free exercise of religion;" Any incorporation of religious organisations into the state fabric, would be an "establishment of religion". So of course open religious people can be…

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Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by graphe »

shadowgovt wrote: post #85
philistine wrote: post #8

It’s crazy how the assassination and the public acceptance of the assassin’s goals sound like something out of Persona 5.

Correct, but causality is reversed. When you are an artist in Japan, there are certain things you will pull a massive amount of criticism down upon yourself for directly critiquing or commenting on via your art. You can't make a video game about "Hey maybe it's weird and a little not okay that it's an open secret that formal power in Japan is very closely tied to the informal power structure of what is basically a sp…

I enjoyed this video. Thanks for showing it.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by Aloha »

kergonath wrote: post #141
Aloha wrote: post #123

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That's not wrong, we have an issue with politicians promising things that are impossible or at a minimum highly implausible - because the structure of our political system means they won't be thrown out on their ear for making promises they can't keep.

It kind of makes sense on an intellectual level, but I don’t think it is very plausible. Trump promised a lot of things when he was elected, most of which are practically impossible. I think he just promised the right things for his audience, whereas most politicians are so far up their arses that they don’t know what actual people want or care about.

How is that different than anyone else?

Republicans and Democrats alike say whatever they need to win a primary and general election, democrats do that in smaller quantities - but it's still the same bullshit.

And before anyone says I'm "both sidesing" the green new deal (which was little more than a messaging bill with lots of words and little substance) was no more passable than building a southern border wall was, or repealing Obamacare (though this got close) for that matter.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by Aloha »

darkerside wrote: post #134
Aloha wrote: post #123

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That's not wrong, we have an issue with politicians promising things that are impossible or at a minimum highly implausible - because the structure of our political system means they won't be thrown out on their ear for making promises they can't keep.

I actually think it's that politicians have been unwilling to promise things that they feel are politically infeasible, and arguably make no sense, like building a wall to Mexico

Once Trump and his ilk came in, Those people lost elections.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by Aloha »

Gud wrote: post #138
Aloha wrote: post #123

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That's not wrong, we have an issue with politicians promising things that are impossible or at a minimum highly implausible - because the structure of our political system means they won't be thrown out on their ear for making promises they can't keep.

It's not that they promise things that they can't deliver. It's that they pretend to be fighters for good, while instead using the system for cynical self gain.

But they do promise lots of things they can't deliver as well.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by r2vcap »

mrob wrote: post #44
nihonthrowaway wrote: post #28

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As someone who speaks Japanese to be polite, and will dutifully follow all honorifics while in Japan: Japan doesn't get to change English naming conventions in English speaking cultures and civilizations.

But why do China and Korea get to change English naming conventions? What makes Japan an exception?

I believe that's a historical (19th-century) reason. Japan tried to live up to Western standards. They underwent radical changes and adopted Western culture, driven by the significant influence of the '脱亜入欧' (Leave Asia, Join the West) theory during the Meiji era. That's why they adopted a Western-style naming convention for English names (Personal name + Family name).

However, China and Korea didn't modernize as fast as Japan. They didn't have radical changes in the 19th century. (The result is that foreign concession in China, unequal treaties, colonization of Korea, etc.) So they didn't have to change their naming convention.

The reason why Japan is trying to change the English naming convention when they write in Japanese is similar to the reason mentioned above. The 21st century is Asia's century. Japan feels that they don't have to conform to Western standards anymore. They are trying to be more Asian. That's why they are attempting to change the convention to synchronize as if they were writing in Japanese.

I hope this helps.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by mongol »

pjc50 wrote: post #67
capableweb wrote: post #35

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Why is that so crazy? Happens all the time that people get assassinated and the public sides with the assassin. If the US was successful with any of their plots to assassinate Castro I'm sure the US public would mostly side with their government about it, as a relatively famous example. Another more contemporary example would be the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin (prime minister of Israel) in 95, which had a lot of l…

> the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin (prime minister of Israel) in 95, which had a lot of local public support. Kept the war going until the present day, too.

From the article > Tetsuya Yamagami can console himself that he may be among the most successful assassins in history.

I actually think the assasin of Rabin was the most successful, in terms or changing history in his desired direction

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by potatopatch »

graphe wrote: post #38

The sushi trade is unable to be separated from the moonies. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/11/05/magazine/sush... that will be Moon's legacy I know from personal experience that many Koreans who own sushi restaurants are part of this cult, they knew each other at church all donated a lot and the only reason I know is that my friend dated a girl whose parents were part of it.

Are there things that would tend to identify an establishments connections to the moonies? I.e. some kind of symbolism in decorations?

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by user982 »

Aloha wrote: post #124
paganel wrote: post #105

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> which is an organ of the Unification Church Big TIL for me this one, and I thought I was smart enough for knowing about the connection between Falun Gong and the Epoch Times (I also know about the direct connection between Gulen's movement and one of the best private schools here in Romania).

Falun Gong at least makes no effort to hide its attachment to certain media outlets.

"The exact financial and structural connections between Falun Gong, Shen Yun and The Epoch Times remains unclear...Financial documents paint a complicated picture of more than a dozen technically separate organizations that appear to share missions, money and executives." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong#The_Epoch_Times_and...)
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