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Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by magicalhippo »

dist-epoch wrote: post #113
magicalhippo wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only there existed a viable Remote Desktop alternative for Linux. I use Remote Desktop to log into my home PC when I'm at work or away. No need to have a powerful laptop and no need to worry about laptop getting stolen. Tried all the Linux alternatives (latest round was last year). Yes there are functional remote desktop solutions, where functional means it actually works. But they're not really usable on a day-to…

What about TeamViewer.

Performance is passable, though again not as great as RDP. Though I really don't like the idea of having my private machine open to a corporation.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by izzydata »

baz00 wrote: post #94
izzydata wrote: post #84

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So they are trying to strong arm people into paying for a subscription by giving them a worse experience with ads until they do. Paying for it at that point is just letting Microsoft know that they were successful and should continue to implement more ads into things.

Well I was going to pay for it anyway because I want Excel, Word and OneNote and the storage so shrug . Stuff isn't free!

There are other business models that aren't ads though.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by NotYourLawyer »

thiht wrote: post #144
NotYourLawyer wrote: post #23

Windows just keeps getting worse. 7 was pretty good, 10 is ok, 11 is trash. Maybe 2024 will be the year of Linux on my desktop.

7 was great, 8 was trash, 10 was great, now 11 is trash. Maybe they’ll see the light with Windows 12

Ha, I forgot 8 even existed. I never installed it.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by HumblyTossed »

saghm wrote: post #27
HumblyTossed wrote: post #7

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Why? Then you have to open your browser. I use Evolution.

> Why? Then you have to open your browser. To me, the question isn't "why use my browser", it's "why use something else when I already have a browser and it's always open"?

Fair. I just don't always have a browser open. I don't need it when I'm coding and such. If I need to look something up I'll make a note and come back to it. Breaks my flow to just stop and look something up when I can just stub something out and fix it proper later.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by lamontcg »

hbn wrote: post #100
jwells89 wrote: post #30

One of the things I’ve appreciated a lot about macOS and iOS is that the stock Mail app is focused more on being a good generic email client than it is on trying to sell iCloud or be a profit center. It’s served me very well for the handful of IMAP addresses I use, with exception to Gmail (which has a dodgy IMAP implementation). The Windows Mail client was on its way to becoming a close analogue to Mail.app but I gue…

I wish I wasn't tied to Gmail because it means I can't really use any other clients if I want instant notifications. And their official app has ads that look like emails. I assume they must do that on purpose, right? Make their IMAP implementation bad so people will use their clients with ads? I'd kinda hope regulators would step in on something like that for a case like Gmail where they're practically the default em…

> I'd kinda hope regulators would step in on something like that for a case like Gmail where they're practically the default email provider for most people.

Regulators won't ever save you.

  * buy a domain name on namecheap
  * setup a proton mail account (think you'll wind up paying some for it, but its worth it)
  * link your domain name to your proton mail account and setup an alias
  * forward your gmail to the new alias on the domain name that you control
  * slowly start converting all the references to your old gmail to the new account
(And while nothing is perfect so protonmail/namecheap isn't perfect, any other suggestions will probably trigger people's executive dysfunction and they'll do nothing rather than focus on the fact that this is a portable solution and 2 years later if they find something they like better they can easily switch)

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by init2null »

lstamour wrote: post #46
firebaze wrote: post #22

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Let's just agree to disagree. I grew up with Windows, learnt programming on it, was C++ proficient, COM, COM+, switched to C#, .NET, WinForms, WPF ... and that was when it got too much. If you know Windows, you probably can at least feel why. I earned quite a lot of money with Windows. I had tons of apps on Windows, and all alternatives on Linux are better to me (IntelliJ vs. Visual Studio, VS Code the same, CodeLion…

If Adobe or Serif announced Linux support, I’d switch in a heartbeat. I was about to add DaVinci Resolve to that list, but they actually released official Linux support, so I can cross some video editing off my list. And one presumes all web-based tools such as Figma also work well on Linux these days, so… the list of tools that aren’t Linux compatible might be vanishingly small now. But not zero, sadly.

Too many dev commenters will hand-wave away complaints about graphics work on Linux. Bitmap and vector graphics are terrible, and I have tried the options. RAW photo editing is mediocre. Font rendering and color management has always been behind.

When I switched to a Mac, it wasn't that MacOS got vastly better. It was that Windows has been getting dramatically worse.

I that being said, Resolve and Blender on Linux can nicely serve subsets of the creative community. We just need more.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by init2null »

thiht wrote: post #144
NotYourLawyer wrote: post #23

Windows just keeps getting worse. 7 was pretty good, 10 is ok, 11 is trash. Maybe 2024 will be the year of Linux on my desktop.

7 was great, 8 was trash, 10 was great, now 11 is trash. Maybe they’ll see the light with Windows 12

There's no doubt that Microsoft is going to stuff ads in every corner of the OS at this point. Ads on the start menu, in Edge, in Solitaire, and now the replacement for Outlook Express. I don't think the good-bad-good cycle will hold for Windows this time. This seems to be a downward spiral.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by ceuk »

9dev wrote: post #86
ceuk wrote: post #41

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> To fix them, you need to run some arcane commands At least you can fix them. Also, sorry can't help the cheap shot: how is typing "arcane commands" any different than clicking on "gnostic glyphs"? Anything can sound complex if you want it to :) I'm not disputing your experiences but it's so surprising to me. I exclusively use Linux on the desktop on numerous devices, some of which seem like prime candidates for the…

Well, a major difference is that you can discover a GUI and find solutions organically, while the shell is pretty useless without prior knowledge. Even as an experienced user, you need to know to put research into those issues.

Good user interface/software design is good regardless of whether it is graphical or not though.

Having a row of icons with vague meanings, or endlessly nested/badly categories menus isn't intuitive or easy.

Conversely, there are a plethora of terminal-based programs with absolutely excellent UX.

Anyone can edit a well-documented template/example config file, and a good CLI program is almost like an interactive conversation, which again is an extremely intuitive experience. It's not the fault of whether the interface is graphical or not in most cases, it's just mediocre/bad software.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by ktosobcy »

callalex wrote: post #99
ktosobcy wrote: post #49

Team Thunderbird, gladly supporting and donating.

I would be hesitant to donate money to Mozilla, almost none of the money goes to software development.

After thunderbird got dumped by mozilla they picked up development on their own and likewise they collect donations as well. please don't spread FUD...
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