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Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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> Hidden fees are fees in which a seller uses an artificially low headline price to attract a customer and usually either discloses additional required fees in smaller print, or reveals additional unavoidable charges later in the buying process. Like tips?

Tipping is optional.

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

#152

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> How do they know how much tax to charge you when you buy? Did you miss the part about it being calculated in the cart? That’s after you’ve made the decision to purchase, a decision which presumably included the price. I would refuse to give every vendor my address just to see a price.

>I would absolutely refuse to give every vendor my address just to see a price. How does it work now? If you don't give your address, but the price depends on your address, how does the store know how much to charge you? If you don't have to give your ID then surely you just say you're from the lowest tax location?

What would the ID change?

It only really matters where the goods are delivered.

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

#153

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You don't want to drive to a resort, hotel or store with a headline figure of say $300 and end up finding out additional fees double that to $600

Resort/amenity fees in a nutshell - just a way for them to advertise a rate that is lower than the actual rate. Unfortunately the law seems to ignore hotel taxes/government fees, which are often substantial.

The law is aimed against companies who try to undercut their competitors by listing deceptive pricing. Taxes are always the same rate for a given good and location, so requiring including those would be a separate -- if related -- issue.

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

#154

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Agreed. It’s also a reminder to the voter that these sales tax exist and a reminder they can be lowered or eliminated.

Virtually every other country lists prices inclusive of sales tax. People are still aware of sales tax.

There are pros to it, sure. How opposed you are to the sales tax could help dictate how much you want people reminded of it.

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

#155
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Ironic when the same day, California Gov. Gavin Newsom vetoe'd bill intended to limit the price of insulin, and thus access to essential health care for many.

Is that the same bill that would have decriminalized psychedelic mushrooms? Good thing California uses First Past the Post voting, making a two party system a inevitably. Must be cheaper to purchase the government for the 1%.

No, he vetoed more than one good bill today! Busy day for Gavin.

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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I never understand this argument at all. Your shops have computers with label printers, right? At the Co-op supermarket in our little UK town (population 3000) they’ve even just replaced the shelf price tickets with tiny colour displays.

1. Taxes can change quickly, and it's a pain in the ass to keep up with. If you're now needing to deal with changing the printed price on tens, hundreds, thousands of items - I can't even imagine. 2. Online sales you won't even be able to calculate it until the customer puts in their shipping information. And no, they can't figure that out beforehand as there are a myriad of reasons why where their IP is does not mea…

Shops change their prices sometimes multiple times a day (UK), sales taxes change on the order of decades here. Stores can cope.

It sounds like your legislature spend all their time setting taxes?

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

#157
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Yeah, so in the US that doesn't work. Most obviously for display, tv, or radio ads you cannot ensure correct taxes in the advertisement (this was a big eye opener when I first moved to the US). It also doesn't work for online sales, where the final price can depend on the final destination of the goods or service. e.g. the taxes cannot be displayed until you've been given a street level address. For me for example ev…

>Most obviously for display, tv, or radio ads you cannot ensure correct taxes in the advertisement. They really shouldn't be advertising false claims in the first place. >It also doesn't work for online sales, where the final price can depend on the final destination of the goods or service. e.g. the taxes cannot be displayed until you've been given a street level address. That one has an easy solution: Just ask for…

> They really shouldn't be advertising false claims in the first place.

So basically what you’re suggesting is banning any ads (besides billboards etc.) from advertising any prices? How does that benefit consumers at all?

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

#158
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Taxes are set at a multiple levels (federal, state, district, and city) so it's pretty much impossible to show the post tax price on the label. Hidden fees are a completely different issue.

And yet the register magically knows how much tax to add for each and every item you buy. I could maybe agree with your argument if taxes changed often, but they don't, and it's very much possible to calculate them beforehand and display full price.

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Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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> How do they know how much tax to charge you when you buy? Did you miss the part about it being calculated in the cart? That’s after you’ve made the decision to purchase, a decision which presumably included the price. I would refuse to give every vendor my address just to see a price.

>I would absolutely refuse to give every vendor my address just to see a price. How does it work now? If you don't give your address, but the price depends on your address, how does the store know how much to charge you? If you don't have to give your ID then surely you just say you're from the lowest tax location?

> If you don't give your address, but the price depends on your address, how does the store know how much to charge you?

I don’t want to give my address to see the price. After I’ve decided to buy the thing, I’m okay disclosing who I am. But simply to see the price?

Also, if I’m a retailer and people are giving me their address before I price them, on what planet am I not going to use that to help me price discriminate?

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

#160

Comments that are bringing up taxes (which are totally exempted by this bill anyway) and tips (with one small caveat) are completely missing the point. You can have a debate about how to display those items on a price list, but everyone knows about them and they are expected. The whole point of this bill is to prevent bait-and-switch, where loads of unknown or variable fees are tacked on after the price is initially…

Taxes and tips should also be taken care of
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