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Re: Eliminating radio interference from Apple charger

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I use HF radio all the time from inside my home, in the middle of one of the densest cities in BC. Within the past few weeks I've made contacts with stations in Alaska, Belize, Costa Rica, Colombia, Russia and Japan with a radio inside my home in Vancouver, Canada. HF is 10000% usable in urban areas. It's not optimal or perfect, but it's just fine.

As someone who has always been interested in getting into ham radio - do you have any pointers on where to start or what to avoid?

Join a local club!

Re: Eliminating radio interference from Apple charger

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I use HF radio all the time from inside my home, in the middle of one of the densest cities in BC. Within the past few weeks I've made contacts with stations in Alaska, Belize, Costa Rica, Colombia, Russia and Japan with a radio inside my home in Vancouver, Canada. HF is 10000% usable in urban areas. It's not optimal or perfect, but it's just fine.

As someone who has always been interested in getting into ham radio - do you have any pointers on where to start or what to avoid?

First of all, get your entry-level license. If you're in the US (or have someone who can receive mail for you), this is relatively easy and inexpensive, and can be done completely online.

Avoid sinking a lot of money into a transceiver immediately before you've been operating for awhile and know what you're really interested in doing. You also do not need a rooftop antenna for HF (3-30 MHz; the frequencies that most often travel far) - a wire across your backyard can be quite effective.

Since you're here, I recommend getting started with digital modes like WSPR and FT8. They require a lot less power to make some surprising connections, and will teach you a lot about how propagation works and adjusting antennas, and because of the low power requirements, can be done with relatively inexpensive equipment. Some "old timers" grouch about how they're not "real" ham radio, but ignore them.

Edited to add: A good starting point that doesn't even require a license is to get an SDR receiver like the RTL-SDR and hook a long wire to it as an antenna, then listen for WSPR or FT8 signals with WSJT-X, and whatever else (other digital modes, Morse Code) with fldigi.

Re: Eliminating radio interference from Apple charger

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Can you ELI5 how does this negatively affect the consumer and why should the consumer prefer the 'bad looking' choke option?

Ferrite chokes are large and heavy. They're also not free. So the product costs more, weighs more and gets bigger.

Sounds like I'm with Steve on this one.

Re: Eliminating radio interference from Apple charger

#154
My problem with literally every wireless charger I ever used is awful coil whine or ticking noise, really disturbing if you have the charger next to your bed. I've tried official Apple one, Samsung one, Anker, Auckley, few other random chinese brands, and they are all so loud when charging(Samsung's is probably the worst for it, as it has a fan inside - yes it charges my S23 pretty quickly but I wouldn't use it anywhere other than a loud office environment). I don't know if this is a problem of insulation or is it just inevitable given the technology used.

Re: Eliminating radio interference from Apple charger

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> This radio interference was also present on the aviation frequencies (around 124 MHz) How did this thing get FCC approval? What's it's FCC approval number? Who tested this thing? Want to look that up. If RF got outside the charger and into the USB cable, it's very badly designed. The power in the USB cable is DC. There shouldn't be any significant RF component. There should be ferrite beads and capacitors in the po…

Could the problem be with the DC current that is being supplied via USB power from the car / power adapter? If this DC current is very noisy, then it could make the noise generated worse I presume?

Re: Eliminating radio interference from Apple charger

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post #108

That's... not a magsafe charger? That's a USB-C NFC charger. By all means show it's shit in every possible way but let's not grace them by acknowledging it has anything to do with magsafe. That's a Applified Qi charger.

Are you saying that it’s a counterfeit? Apple sells this as a MagSafe charger: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MHXH3AM/A/magsafe-charger

I own a MagSafe charger and unless the author added a third party black case (?) around the puck, then that’s not a real MagSafe charger. I haven’t heard of cases for it but that doesn’t mean they’re not common, of course.

Re: Eliminating radio interference from Apple charger

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Nothing there is going faster than about 300KHz, so the signal paths are not a big issue. If things had to go faster, there would be a proper ground plane. The tiny area around the switching IC did require careful layout (it just follows the Linear Technology data sheet) but the rest doesn't matter much. There is no one ground. The 120VDC side has an HV ground, and the 5VDC side has a ground. The important point is t…

> nothing faster than 300k That is exactly one of the misunderstandings I’m trying to warn that you are missing. I’m certain that your switching transition times are massively faster than the 300k period (each rise and fall time). You can have split grounds, but you don’t have traces under your grounds so in many cases you aren’t even effectively using them. You are grounding a portion of every signal inside every ot…

off topic, but what do you think of this video by Asianometry talking about the intricacies of analog design for a laymen audience? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNypq1XuZRo

Re: Eliminating radio interference from Apple charger

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post #49

This thread looks like a relevant one to mention an issue with the Mac Studio that causes large inrush currents when you plug it in. The power connector arcs badly enough to trip a domestic 30mA RCD, it's reproducable with several units and on different electrical circuits at both home and office.

I noticed exactly the same thing on a new Mac mini M2 base model when I conncted the power cord. Now I'm relieved that it seems to be a common problem. I don't know anything about electronics. Do you think this is some kind of defect or bad design of the power supply?

Apple is very generous on input capacitors for their power supplies. It's usually a sign a good design as it's one of the first places companies skimp; and ensures that even dirty wall power or highly spiky load will not trip the PSU and keep the computer fed. However, it is widely recognized that Apple overdid it on apple silicon macs. Like, they really should have skimped a bit on that one. (we have racks full of M1s at work, and boy powering the rack on is a pain due to the inrush)

Re: Eliminating radio interference from Apple charger

#159

The poster's assumption that this is caused by the Apple product could be incorrect. The emissions could be caused by the supply equipment noise propagating down the cable. The load presented by the Apple product could induce the supply equipment to emit noise at that frequency.

I'd be much more enclined to blame the cigarette lighter to usb adapter used in the car instead of the magsafe adapter. apple usually do their homework.

Re: Eliminating radio interference from Apple charger

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post #49

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I noticed exactly the same thing on a new Mac mini M2 base model when I conncted the power cord. Now I'm relieved that it seems to be a common problem. I don't know anything about electronics. Do you think this is some kind of defect or bad design of the power supply?

Apple is very generous on input capacitors for their power supplies. It's usually a sign a good design as it's one of the first places companies skimp; and ensures that even dirty wall power or highly spiky load will not trip the PSU and keep the computer fed. However, it is widely recognized that Apple overdid it on apple silicon macs. Like, they really should have skimped a bit on that one. (we have racks full of M…

Using too large input filtering capacitors without a soft-start circuit is a sign of very poor circuit design.
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