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I applied to 250 jobs and timed how long each one took

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Re: I applied to 250 jobs and timed how long each one took

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I remember applying to RenTech and getting a rejection email in 3 hours and let me tell you it was quick. Most companies I have applied to would probably take a week or more than a week

Disney’s rejection for a front end position came a full year after I applied

My record was 2.5 years later for a different company. At that point why bother?

Re: I applied to 250 jobs and timed how long each one took

#152
post #86

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Very likely going to be zero. The only way I can get a chance at a phone screen is to spend at least an hour crafting my resume and cover letter for each position.

Can you describe in more detail what this actually means? I can't imagine what I would spend an hour doing to my resume that would somehow make it more attractive to a specific employer without outright lying.

For starters it means reading the job ad and understanding if you are even a fit for it. You can then take the various keywords in the job description and make sure those are the ones you use and not some variant that HR won't realizes is the same thing. Generally you can tell they are looking for someone to do something in particular so you can add a line or two about doing something like that, while taking away some other line they don't care about. (In the US we use resume not CV, resumes are support to be short: once you have been around for a few years there will be things you can do that just don't fit on the page)

If you are just finishing college [or worse looking for an internship] you will have trouble putting enough on a page to attract attention. Once you have been around for a few years though you should be cutting things - and that means there are things potentially relevant you can put back on.

It also depends on how focused you are. If you are only interested in OpenGL 1.1 jobs you would cut anything not related that and just have a single resume that you don't need to focus. I used openGl 1.1 to make a point: it is obsolete so normally you wouldn't put anything about it on a resume - but there is a small chance you would encounter it as a nice to have in an otherwise interesting job (If the job wants someone who knows Vulkan but is 10% maintaining old products: openGl 1.1 might catch their attention even though you have no Vulkan experience)

Re: I applied to 250 jobs and timed how long each one took

#153
2.5 minutes seems short for every application but it's literally mindlessly re-entering information that's literally already on your resume. It's definitely the frustration more than the time IMO...

PSA: I built a browser extension that autofills your job application so you don't have to manually re-type your resume on every job -> https://simplify.jobs/copilot (we're also YC backed!)

Re: I applied to 250 jobs and timed how long each one took

#154
post #67

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We hire on Freelancer sites quite a bit and have noticed that about 50%-80% of applicants now very obviously use ChatGPT or equivalent to apply. Now suddenly every person magically has 8 years experience in a weird esoteric requirement that we're looking for. They are currently very easy to spot and the applications go directly into the trash, so the freelancers aren't doing themselves any favors using them. It is in…

> Now suddenly every person magically has 8 years experience in a weird esoteric requirement that we're looking for. That's crazy to me. Why would someone put ANYTHING on their resume that is not factually correct? That in the end is a disservice to yourself and to your potential employer, not to mention the pressure it puts on job seekers to push the envelope on embellishment. What I am on the fence about in my own…

> That's crazy to me. Why would someone put ANYTHING on their resume that is not factually correct?

I have dealt with my fair share of resume embellishments. I _will ask_ questions about anything that you put in your resume. Anything at all. It's fair game. That's part of my sanity check. Better have a pretty decent answer as to why something is in the resume relatively recently and you can't even give me an overview of what it was (I assume people forget details and it's fine).

However, have you ever seen 'proxy interviews'? In those cases, it's not just a case of 'embellishments', the candidate interviewing has zero experience and the resume is not even his. Had this experience a few months ago.

People go as far as lip syncing. It's horrendous.

Re: I applied to 250 jobs and timed how long each one took

#155

I guess this is interesting research, but for me not personally useful. I've had a lot of jobs in my long career, and I have spent a considerable amount of time researching and applying for the few ones I am interested in. I have a pretty good hit rate. Do people really apply for hundreds of jobs?

> Do people really apply for hundreds of jobs? I’ve done it twice. The first time was when I was 18 or 19 trying to get my first job in the industry. I put in a ton of applications, and while it felt tedious, it only took around three months at the end of the day. The second time was this time. I’ve probably put at least 100 applications in over the past year, and it’s been very hit or miss on whether I get interview…

Yes, I can see that working early in a career. Now that I think of it, my best friend did exactly that too when he was 19, and he managed to get his foot in the door.

For what it's worth I think your current strategy of applying for relevant jobs is the right one, particularly if it's a difficult market where you are. Tangential skills are also good possibilities. I hope you find something that works for you.

Re: I applied to 250 jobs and timed how long each one took

#156
post #35

I appreciate this guy taking the time to test this stuff out, but... 2.5 minutes per application seems really reasonable and short? Even the Post Office application that took 10 minutes seems fine. I get that you might have to apply to a lot of different jobs, but at that rate in 2-3 hours of focused work, you could apply to nearly a hundred different jobs. The fact that it's that easy to apply belies the tone the ar…

2.5 is extremely long if you just filled out the exact same information 2.5 minutes ago and 2.5 minutes before that and…

Re: I applied to 250 jobs and timed how long each one took

#157

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I’m not sure how accurate it is, but I started to play with jobscan to test my resume against ATS scanning. It was getting knocked for not having uselessly vague keywords like “business solutions” in the resume when they were in the job app, or not listing every single data format I’ve worked with. So now, I’ve just started keyword dumping my resume with everything in a job listing even though it feels stupid. I doub…

Hey, I've actually been wondering about this the last few days given linkedin shows high numbers of applicants for recently posted jobs. I have one main question - are you submitting multi-page resumes? I've been wondering if I should basically be submitting a CV for cold applications with a focus on resume scanning, and have a 1 page resume that I can send when communicating with real people

Your goal is to have enough keywords that the automated tools pass you onto the hiring manager. You can find these in the job description, so make sure all keywords that even somewhat fit are there (don't claim something you don't have! - that might get you an interview but will kill your chance even if otherwise you were fine).

The real goal is when a human reads your resume they decide to call you in for an interview. That human doesn't have time for your whole CV, so even though it might get you to that person, it won't get you an interview: forget about the cold applications to a program, you are just wasting the other person's time if you get past the machine. If you have a job only apply to jobs you have looked into enough to know they are worth accepting an offer if you get one. If you don't have a job you can't be as picky - but you have a lot more time to investigate potential companies and design a resume to get their attention.

So my advice as someone who might read your resume: read the job ad and then modify your resume to make it fit. Don't remove unrelated jobs, but make them a couple lines, while jobs where you did things more inline with what they want get more attention. I only glance at cover letters so I wouldn't recommend you spend much time on them. Note that the above is focused on me - others are different but I can only advise how to get my attention: you get to figure out how/if it generalizes.

Honestly, finding someone worth hiring is hard. I want to know if you can do the job and nothing about the process is very good there.

Re: I applied to 250 jobs and timed how long each one took

#158
post #123

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> 2.5 minutes per application seems really reasonable and short? That's what I thought as well. I suppose 2.5 minutes feels incredibly long if you're spending your day watching 10 second reels on TikTok and Instagram.

it's long if you don't have the connections to get a job through your network and need to sort of spray and pray to even get to a recruiter screen

Something you don't want to learn post-graduation: if you don't have the connections to get a job, you simply don't have a prayer.

Re: I applied to 250 jobs and timed how long each one took

#159
post #35

I appreciate this guy taking the time to test this stuff out, but... 2.5 minutes per application seems really reasonable and short? Even the Post Office application that took 10 minutes seems fine. I get that you might have to apply to a lot of different jobs, but at that rate in 2-3 hours of focused work, you could apply to nearly a hundred different jobs. The fact that it's that easy to apply belies the tone the ar…

This doesn’t seem to account for finding meaningful opportunities, and in my experience, that has been the more time consuming aspect of the process.

Re: I applied to 250 jobs and timed how long each one took

#160
post #74
post #67

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> Now suddenly every person magically has 8 years experience in a weird esoteric requirement that we're looking for. That's crazy to me. Why would someone put ANYTHING on their resume that is not factually correct? That in the end is a disservice to yourself and to your potential employer, not to mention the pressure it puts on job seekers to push the envelope on embellishment. What I am on the fence about in my own…

I bet you’re surprised that people lie all the time to women at bars too!

.. and women have totally unrealistic criteria, too, just like employers.

The internet has caused mass insanity.

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