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Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by almatabata »

standardUser wrote: post #131
almatabata wrote: post #123

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They probably did all of this to increase some KPI. The more fine grained authorization system problem resulted in less interactions. A lot of applications have too many incentives to keep you engaged as long as possible. I think apple has a nice setting where you can disable all notifications after a certain time slot in the evening. But this only works in the evenings, during the day they can still spam all day lon…

A notification management system sounds like something that needs to exist, but how would it work if companies don't adhere to standards? I don't see any way out of this that doesn't first involve legislation.

Technology moves really fast and laws move really slow. Hence i would prefer if we had a solution that would not require this kind of legislative intervention. But as you say a lot of applications will not play nice. And neither google nor apple really has the incentive to fix it on their side. Only an outside force could force this but i do not see how you would legislate this in a future proof way. And it would probably need to become a legislation adopted by multiple big companies before they would roll it out to all countries.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by robocat »

swayvil wrote: post #94
maxrecursion wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My kids are 6 and 2. Right now the wife and I are trying to hold off getting them phones until they are driving. I'm sure that could change when they're in middle school and high school, and whining because all their friends have phones. But, I'm going to try my best to hold the line.

When you buy your kid a smartphone you are literally inviting a squad of marketing PhDs to stalk him 24-7.

When is the right time for your kid to learn how to deal with modern life problems?

You can protect your kid for a while, but sooner or later your protection becomes a bigger problem.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by s3p »

alexanderchr wrote: post #79
soultrees wrote: post #4

I run my phone on DND all day, everyday and block notifications from almost all apps. The amount of garbage we have vying for our attention on an hourly basis is overwhelming sometimes. The worst is the apps where you do want notifications on, like your food delivery apps so you know when your food is at the door, but those companies take that as an invite to send you daily marketing notifications and it all feels li…

It is a breach of trust. I give apps access to my immediate attention so they can notify me of things that need my attention. Not for telling me about their new features or some crappy partner deal. For this reason I have a one strike policy for apps. One marketing notification and permissions are revoked. Missing out on surprisingly little although it has made me stop using some services entirely.

Yes!! Same here. ONE annoying advertisement or waste of my time and the app's privileges get revoked.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by root_axis »

rambambram wrote: post #137
root_axis wrote: post #7

One of the things I love about Android is the extremely granular controls on app notifications, it allows me to fine tune the disruption level of particular types of alerts or messages from app to app so that I'm only alerted to stuff I care about. edit: https://i.imgur.com/w3A9Bge.png

Replace Android here with - let's say - a narcissistic person. The same sentence would still make sense. Something like "I love how my narcissistic partner requires an extremely granular control so I can adjust their level of disruption to me." I'm not making fun of you, it's just that your sentence made the similarities so painfully clear to me.

"Android" is not the source of the notifications, the source is a nebulous cloud of apps that I installed on my phone. In a more apt analogy you could imagine each app as a person, some are more chatty than others, some with more important things to say than others, Android acts as an automated secretary that filters and transmits messages with the appropriate sense of urgency based on my preferences.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by fooker »

gambiting wrote: post #76
mr_mitm wrote: post #47

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On android, each app's notifications are categorized. For, say, Uber, I can enable the obvious useful notifications and can disable promotional notifications. Presumably Google penalizes ignoring or abusing this system.

Hahahahaha - sorry, the mere suggestion that Google cares enough about this to "penalize" anyone who ignores this system is actually really funny to me. No, of course they don't do any such thing. The system is entirely and completely optional, and developers have long ago realized that actually using it is to their own detriment, because users will just block the marketing notifications but leave the important ones,…

Is it really that surprising to you that something Google has created works better than something Apple has created for a specific narrow problem?

These are all trillion dollar companies, your allegiance is wasted.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

Sarkie wrote: post #13
asynchronous wrote: post #8

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Uber is terrible at it.

Uber Eats. I need the notifications for a taxi not marketing for groceries during the week

Many have said it’s easy to disable non essential push notifications. I find it discussing that even when doing that, companies add new categories and have a default-opt-in.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by nothingnew2 »

ryandrake wrote: post #74
jacquesm wrote: post #5

Everybody is. I'm strongly of the opinion that all this 'needy tech' is a net negative and I try hard to keep it out of my life. But some of it, mostly associated with my kids schooling, is very hard to avoid. 10 emails per week about some school portal with 'an important message' (which you need to separately logged into, of course the message is so important that it can't be entrusted to mere email, even though the…

> But some of it, mostly associated with my kids schooling, is very hard to avoid. 10 emails per week about some school portal with 'an important message' that ends up being nonsense but you're not able to block it because one day an actually important message might show up. > Tech should serve us This problem isn't really the tech, it's the people behind these messages. Complain to them. You shouldn't be getting "OM…

Have you ever tried making this complaint? In the context of OP's comment about schools and technology, you will only ever get told "well, everyone else wants this". Sadly, this is true.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by nothingnew2 »

jacquesm wrote: post #5

Everybody is. I'm strongly of the opinion that all this 'needy tech' is a net negative and I try hard to keep it out of my life. But some of it, mostly associated with my kids schooling, is very hard to avoid. 10 emails per week about some school portal with 'an important message' (which you need to separately logged into, of course the message is so important that it can't be entrusted to mere email, even though the…

We have been ensnared by our own technology.

https://netfuture.org/2001/Nov1501_125.html

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Post by sirspacey »

soultrees wrote: post #4

I run my phone on DND all day, everyday and block notifications from almost all apps. The amount of garbage we have vying for our attention on an hourly basis is overwhelming sometimes. The worst is the apps where you do want notifications on, like your food delivery apps so you know when your food is at the door, but those companies take that as an invite to send you daily marketing notifications and it all feels li…

Same and fully agree that the day there is a delivery app that separates marketing from delivery notifications, that Will be my go to delivery app.

Now I’m shocked how often people’s phones “ding” at them. I’ve shared what I do, but most find it too scary that they will “miss something important.”

My long-term bet is that notifications will become the new “smoking” and Apple will update policies - eventually.

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Post by xyst »

swayvil wrote: post #86
haltist wrote: post #17

Sometimes I will be having a conversation with someone and then their phone will buzz or make some sound and the person's attention will shift entirely to the phone. I don't think people realize the effect these gadgets have on their cognition. I have a phone but it is always on silent. I've decided that it is not acceptable to remotely hijack my attention. No notification on my phone sent by some corporation is ever…

Why is the phone always automatically higher priority than the guy you're talking to? Seems messed up. What's the psychology with that? Is it a FOMO thing? Should we feel insulted?

The pandemic, years of Ivy League scholar manipulation via social media companies, and generally everything almost tied to your phone (banking, investments, work...).

It's all stacked against you.

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