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What will LLM-powered software look like in the medium-term future?

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Post by bugglebeetle »

yayitswei wrote: post #109
depletedgherkin wrote: post #47

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Bit of an aside, but I wonder if the rise of LLMs will lead to new programming languages being much slower to be adopted. Like you said, you might have given up on F# without ChatGPT assistance, and the main way ChatGPT is able to help with F# is because of all of the example code it's been trained on. If developers rely more and more on LLM aid, then a new language without strong LLM support might be a dealbreaker t…

I heard somewhere that ChatGPT is surprisingly good for human language translations even though it's not specifically trained for it. There seems to be just enough examples of e.g. Japanese that Japanese researchers use it to translate papers. I suspect that's largely true for programming languages too. I've had great success working with it in Clojure, even though there's relatively little published code compared to…

ChatGPT is pretty good for translations of Japanese into English. It’s English to Japanese translation tend to sound somewhat stiff/formal/machine-generated, although it’s less prone to hallucinations than DeepL for larger texts. I expect this is because it was trained on a much larger corpus of English language texts than Japanese ones, which means the problem is not intractable.

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Post by sanderjd »

suoduandao3 wrote: post #98
sanderjd wrote: post #89

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Unironically, I've done this sort of thing. Not too impressed with the results though.

Ideas are probably the last thing humans will delegate to AI. We have needs and wants that Ideas help us meet, AI only sets priorities in a reactive way.

Yeah it's a pretty interesting experience actually, trying to use it for idea generation.

It's like talking to a very well informed and generally competent person ... who has no spark of creativity or insight whatsoever.

This does vary product to product - some are excruciatingly boring by design - but I think they're universally uninteresting just to different degrees.

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Post by smokel »

croo wrote: post #83

I'll tell you my vision which is kinda long term - like 20-30 year from now on. I think the future is that everyone will have their own personalized AI assistant on their phone. Internet as it is will be mostly useless because only robots will be able to wade through the generated shit ocean and the next generation will see it as the current see the TV - unimportant old boring low-entropy data which is not entertaini…

In 20-30 years I most certainly do not want to use a phone anymore.

I grew up without the things, and boy was that fun.

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Post by Workaccount2 »

croo wrote: post #83

I'll tell you my vision which is kinda long term - like 20-30 year from now on. I think the future is that everyone will have their own personalized AI assistant on their phone. Internet as it is will be mostly useless because only robots will be able to wade through the generated shit ocean and the next generation will see it as the current see the TV - unimportant old boring low-entropy data which is not entertaini…

Anything long term is meaningless to think about, besides just the fun.

AI on it's current track is going to so radically reshape society that it will be totally unrecognizable to people today. Society in it's current form makes no sense when there are smarter and cheaper non-human workers available.

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Post by sanderjd »

jprete wrote: post #107
sanderjd wrote: post #85

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I think the division is along a different axis than this one (or probably it's along multiple axes). I've always been more of a fastidious crafter than a "just get it built" person, but I also struggle with a blank page. I thrive on editing more than writing. Since forever, I like to get out something that works or mostly works, and then start carving on it until I like it. LLMs have been helping me get some ink on t…

I’ve observed for a long time that there’s a lot of value in making a seed, a starting point, for the thing a group needs to create. And that’s exactly the reason - new text is harder than criticism of the old.

Yep! But some people do seem to thrive more with a blank page.

Supposedly Tom Robbins writes books entirely by putting one word after another starting with the first one and finishing with the last one. I don't know if that's apocryphal, but I do think that's closer to the process for some people.

But if I were a writer, I'd be squarely in the "get out a first draft, it will be like pulling teeth, but just get something down; then you can do the fun part of revising and polishing".

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Post by kyleyeats »

gumballindie wrote: post #132
kyleyeats wrote: post #123

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Stage? A lot of developers don't realize that they're all the same personality type which is good at particular things. LLMs give everyone else this advantage. You just don't realize it yet because you were never aware of the advantage in the first place.

> they're all the same personality Yeah usually it was the shittiest managers I ever met that shared this belief. It sounds like they all repeat the same thing - gpt is a better google.

Are you calling me a shitty manager? Would you say this to my face? What's wrong with you?

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Post by pixl97 »

wbm1 wrote: post #115
croo wrote: post #111

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Exactly! Most will have a name given by its owner, a pet of sort but much more in function. You will need to reach a certain age to get it, the beginning of adulthood. People will mourn them and there will be real world AI cementeries. Diffie Whitfield envisioned an internet highway where every computer is connected to every other in 1974 and then went on to find out how to do that communication in secure channels.[1…

The more personal value it holds, the more risk it has. Imagine gaining access to this digital daimon of someone, it'll be like accessing their most inner thoughts. The upside however could be exponential personal growth. I've seen many examples of real life twins that basically live as a superhuman individual. E.g. the Liberman twins. This tech could be a digital equivalent of that.

In outright totalitarian countries government access to your agent will be mandated.

In more democratic countries we'll see lots of suits and court cases over getting access to these agents and assigning intent to your IRL actions based on your 'thoughts' with the AI.

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Post by xmprt »

smokel wrote: post #153
croo wrote: post #83

I'll tell you my vision which is kinda long term - like 20-30 year from now on. I think the future is that everyone will have their own personalized AI assistant on their phone. Internet as it is will be mostly useless because only robots will be able to wade through the generated shit ocean and the next generation will see it as the current see the TV - unimportant old boring low-entropy data which is not entertaini…

In 20-30 years I most certainly do not want to use a phone anymore. I grew up without the things, and boy was that fun.

Do you ever wonder if that's because of the growing up part and not the phone part? Growing up for most people tends to be pretty fun and exciting compared to adult life. And with or without phones, the 80s and 90s were a very different time when it came to kids being able to go out and play outside on their own. Move to a country where it's common for kids to play outside and you'll see that times aren't much different even though kids all have phones. In a way, it's easier because now you're just one text and location share away from meeting up with them.

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Post by kyleyeats »

timacles wrote: post #138
kyleyeats wrote: post #123

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Stage? A lot of developers don't realize that they're all the same personality type which is good at particular things. LLMs give everyone else this advantage. You just don't realize it yet because you were never aware of the advantage in the first place.

I'm not really following what you're trying to say. What is that personality type, and what are the things its good at? What is the LLM advantage? Not saying your post is devoid of any substance, just trying to educate myself on my blindspots

There are three types of intelligence: intuitive, cognitive and narrative.

Tech has, for years, seen people with cognitive/narrative intelligence as the people who are actually smart.

LLMs help the intuitive people reach the level of the cognitive/narrative people. Cognitive/narrative people can't really understand this in the same way the intuitive people are bad at syntax or database structure. The steamrolling will be slow and merciless.

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Post by pixl97 »

bostonsre wrote: post #116
realce wrote: post #99

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You'll be a God, but a God who has to look at ads all the time, and your angels will... also be ads.

If your interface to the internet is a locally running open source ai assistant, couldn't you just tell it to strip out ads from the information it returns? It could change the internet economy some.

Eh, if OpenAI gets their way, your local AI will be banned as being too dangerous.
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