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UPI Payments: 10B transactions a month done, next stop 100B

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#151

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Now Indian airports have outlets to create UPIs for foreigners visiting the country

Can’t wait to hand over my passport and drivers license to some random person after security wearing a uniform and holding an iPad after I get off an 8 hour red-eye. Surely nothing can go wrong.

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Re: UPI Payments: 10B transactions a month done, next stop 100B

#152

The major difference between UPI payments and Credit Cards is that there is no 'surcharge'. This is what makes it very viable for small merchants to accept payments of minimal amounts.

This is exactly why banks are unhappy - they have to bear the infra cost. This is also the reason the government is trying to push UPI wallet. I suspect at some future point UPI (non-wallet) transactions will be charged a small fee and wallet transactions will not.

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#153

I really really don't care what cash transfer app we go with, I just want to only have one app and for it to NEVER change. Ideally, there would be regulated advisarial integration between the apps. That way if you had venmo and they had cashapp, it would still work! Let these companies compete on UX and financial instruments, not creating a walled garden of users and hoping they get the most inertia. We made it work…

Well that’s the point, UPI is literally interoperable and you can use any app you want and it just works. It’s not Indian’s fault that there is no such standard worldwide.

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#154

I was in India earlier this year, and found there was no way (and I spent hours trying) for a foreigner to get access to the UPI system. This meant: 1) There were some cashless fast food outlets that I couldn't eat at 2) There was no way for me to book an intercity bus ticket I eventually managed to get a bus ticket by sweet-talking someone in a shop to use their personal UPI account in exchange for cash. I fear ther…

You can soon do UPI even if you don't have Indian bank account, you can just download an app and connect any payment source to your UPI ID. https://inc42.com/buzz/japan-may-join-the-growing-list-of-co...

American here. I visited India in June of 2023. I tried using various apps to access UPI, but I was unable to figure it out. I couldn't find a way to connect a USA account (bank, credit card, PayPal, etc.) as a payment source. Hopefully it will be easier soon.

Re: UPI Payments: 10B transactions a month done, next stop 100B

#155

I really really don't care what cash transfer app we go with, I just want to only have one app and for it to NEVER change. Ideally, there would be regulated advisarial integration between the apps. That way if you had venmo and they had cashapp, it would still work! Let these companies compete on UX and financial instruments, not creating a walled garden of users and hoping they get the most inertia. We made it work…

That's exactly how UPI works. The protocol and payment network is operated by a section 8 non-profit pseudo-government entity. All banks are mandated to connect to it. As a customer you can have your account with any bank and be on UPI. Then, a bunch of non-bank third-parties are licensed to build UX apps. Google Pay, PhonePe are examples of this. They tie up with a bank partner to get access to the APIs. Then they can acquire customers onto their app and facilitate transactions. The customers with any bank using any UX app can send or receive money to anyone on any bank or app. No walled gardens permitted and actively discouraged.

Re: UPI Payments: 10B transactions a month done, next stop 100B

#156

I was in India earlier this year, and found there was no way (and I spent hours trying) for a foreigner to get access to the UPI system. This meant: 1) There were some cashless fast food outlets that I couldn't eat at 2) There was no way for me to book an intercity bus ticket I eventually managed to get a bus ticket by sweet-talking someone in a shop to use their personal UPI account in exchange for cash. I fear ther…

I have not seen a single eatery that does not accept cash. Booking bus tickets - RedBus and other portals accept credit cards. To use cash one must book at the terminal.

I couldn't pay for lunch at my friend's office. They only accepted UPI as payment. It would have been nice to be able to pay for tuk-tuks and car taxis without using cash, too. If you only have "large" bills, the drivers never seem to have enough change.

Re: UPI Payments: 10B transactions a month done, next stop 100B

#157

I really really don't care what cash transfer app we go with, I just want to only have one app and for it to NEVER change. Ideally, there would be regulated advisarial integration between the apps. That way if you had venmo and they had cashapp, it would still work! Let these companies compete on UX and financial instruments, not creating a walled garden of users and hoping they get the most inertia. We made it work…

we have instant bank transfers in so many countries nowadays. you press "send" and it's truly instant.

Re: UPI Payments: 10B transactions a month done, next stop 100B

#158
post #153

I really really don't care what cash transfer app we go with, I just want to only have one app and for it to NEVER change. Ideally, there would be regulated advisarial integration between the apps. That way if you had venmo and they had cashapp, it would still work! Let these companies compete on UX and financial instruments, not creating a walled garden of users and hoping they get the most inertia. We made it work…

Well that’s the point, UPI is literally interoperable and you can use any app you want and it just works. It’s not Indian’s fault that there is no such standard worldwide.

there is already a standard. it's SEPA/SWIFT and works on IBANs independent of any banks.

but it's use case is tiny in most of the world. most payments aren't made to people you want to give money to. most payments actually go to sellers. as such what people use in developed countries is their credit card.

Re: UPI Payments: 10B transactions a month done, next stop 100B

#159

I was in India earlier this year, and found there was no way (and I spent hours trying) for a foreigner to get access to the UPI system. This meant: 1) There were some cashless fast food outlets that I couldn't eat at 2) There was no way for me to book an intercity bus ticket I eventually managed to get a bus ticket by sweet-talking someone in a shop to use their personal UPI account in exchange for cash. I fear ther…

> I was in India earlier this year, and found there was no way (and I spent hours trying) for a foreigner to get access to the UPI system.

never been to India. do they not support credit cards like the rest of the planet? visa/mastercard/amex? only UPI?

Re: UPI Payments: 10B transactions a month done, next stop 100B

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That completely side steps the question at hand. You, a citizen of an authoritarian regime, are banned from doing transactions and participating in the economy because you are a dissident or not vaccinated or whatever. Why would that ban not also include cash and crypto transactions?

Firstly, that ban would be harder to enforce without centralized intermediaries that can be deputized to blacklist the dissidents. Second, it is politically and generally legally easier to prohibit a class of interactions involving a subset of the population (e.g. those who refused to be vaccinated against COVID) by way of prohibiting intermediaries from interacting with them. So for instance, restaurants were prohib…

The war on drugs doesn’t stop people from using drugs yet many people are in prison because of drugs. If cost was a reason not to do it, most drugs would have been decriminalized and effectively made legal decades ago. Meth is not a legal currency you can use to exchange with your average store so despite that being an anonymous decentralized “transaction”, almost no one would make it. Substitute meth with bitcoin and ask yourself why would the average person in an authoritarian state not comply if making transactions in bitcoin was illegal? If the protesters of the Iranian government were using cryptocurrency would they avoid arrest?

The solution to, the government is extrajudicially spying on our transactions and without due process blocking people from their finances, is not a system that uses an immutable public ledger. It’s reforming the law to protect people’s right to privacy and due process. It’s getting rid of the authoritarian government that strips people of their rights and freedoms.

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