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Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by bilalq »

keltex wrote: post #4

This is something Google Cloud should learn from. It doesn't matter if product XX still makes money or fits in your business model. There are people who rely on it. And they'll remember if the vendor kept it running trouble free for years. They'll also remember if it was arbitrarily shut down or the price was suddenly increased by 4x and they had to spend many man hours migrating to another option. (Google maps api?)…

Google clearly doesn't care about their reputation. Their shutdown of Pixel Pass before users got a chance to upgrade was just ridiculous[1]. It's hard to quantify the impact that this poor reputation has on their business. Their revenue is still growing, but it's definitely not where it could be.

[1]: https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/30/23851107/google-graveyard...

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by nerdjon »

CSMastermind wrote: post #100
_m8fo wrote: post #31

This is a level of support all software companies should aspire to. It's also what the enterprise likes to see and will give you money for.

I continue to choose AWS for the companies I work at not because their offerings are better, but because their support is so far superior.

I had an interview somewhere that was using Google Cloud. My responsibility would be to own all of that (the CTO was who was interviewing me) but I took the interview since I wanted to understand why and wether or not I actually had the power to change that (given I would own it).

I didn't, and didn't take the job and Google Cloud was a major reason for it. I did not want my job at the risk of Google's decisions. I just don't trust them.

AWS may not be perfect but I don't worry as much that a decision on their part is going to really screw me over.

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by kibwen »

nine_k wrote: post #134
kibwen wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> everything Google does outside of GCP, Maps, Search, and YouTube could evaporate for all I care Honestly, even YouTube could evaporate and it really wouldn't make a difference. 99.9999% of YouTube is just mindless entertainment, which is 100% fungible with every other form of entertainment. The amount of actually unique, insightful, worthwhile content on YouTube is a rounding error, and will find other places to li…

AFAIK more than 95% of all email traffic is spam. I still consider email an absolutely vital tool, despite the efficiency below a steam engine. Same with YouTube: the small sliver of content I care about is important enough for me to pay for YouTube premium. Sometimes people compare something to a gold mine, to emphasize how rich that is. A typical gold mine extracts several grams of good per tonne of rock, that is,…

YouTube isn't analogous to email, it's analogous to Gmail. We were hosting video in the 90s, and the cost of storage, bandwidth, and compute have become orders of magnitude cheaper since then. Video hosting is not magic that only YouTube can pull off.

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by wmf »

panarky wrote: post #146
rgoulter wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://goomics.net/50/

I'm experiencing a bizarre sense of unreality reading comments on a story about Amazon killing EC2-Classic, where the first line is "Retiring services isn’t something we do", while having just read yet another email from Amazon warning me about all my files stored in the defunct Amazon Drive, and somehow 90% of the discussion is about a completely different company discontinuing products.

AWS is pretty separate from consumer Amazon.

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by freeAgent »

recursive wrote: post #132
xnx wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's an example search that's better on Kagi?

"Radiator". I just picked a word at random. All the other ones are better too.

Funny enough, I just tried it and I agree. I have pinned Wikipedia in Kagi, so that came out on top rather than a link to Autozone at Google. Google's "Places" results were also (significantly) farther away yet no more relevant than Kagi's.

So...yes. Radiator.

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by freeAgent »

flir wrote: post #76
slyall wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No because if anything (the effect might have been small) it reduced the power of the open web and many websites (which Google tied togeather) and encouraged people to go to walled gardens ( Facebook, Instagram, twitter, etc ) which are controlled by other companies.

A lot of heavyweight bloggers and aggregators used Reader in their toolchains - it was very good at surfacing trending content. I don't think the effect on the blogging ecosystem was small. I could believe they were clearing a path for G+ and Discover on Android.

What's frustrating is that Reader would have been complementary to Google+. It could have served as a huge funnel by which users could discover content to share on Google+. That's how I used to use Reader (though at the time I found content that I shared other places, such as Facebook, Digg, or Reddit).

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by freeAgent »

flir wrote: post #123
justinpombrio wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obligatory reminder that RSS is alive and well. It remains popular. I both subscribe to RSS, and support it on my blog. You can too.

Still use it - I even read HN via RSS - but I've never found a tool with the critical mass of users you need to show trending content the way GR did.

That's true. I use Newsblur. It has social features, but the community is so small and the social aspect is so limited that it has little value. With that said, the people who engage with it tend to be authentic users interested in high-quality content and respectful discussion. Discovery of other users is terrible, though. You basically have to stumble upon them if they're interacting with an article already in your RSS feeds.

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by pests »

LamaOfRuin wrote: post #102
dylan604 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't take that many users to justify 12 engineers plus infra, Otherwise, those 12 engineers and infra are pure negative on the balance sheet

Having basically all their users (well, as much as for any of their revenue generating products anyway) be revenue generating would require practically no effort for google specifically. It fit their revenue model perfectly. It is trivial to put the exact same ads in there as they already had on search and gmail, and it is stickier than search or gmail.

That would seem a little rude wouldn't it?

Taking content from another site, maybe that has ads, and then displaying it in Reader next to your own ads instead?

I think it would have caused some issues in the RSS world that such a big player was using everyone's content for themselves.

I used Reader daily back then. It's strange to think my current method of manually checking sites for updates was solved so long ago.

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by hughesjj »

mh- wrote: post #116
stilwelldotdev wrote: post #108

"Retiring services isn’t something we do at AWS. It’s quite rare." I read this while I was taking a break from working on an epic to migrate our stuff off of OpsWorks before it gets shut down in May.

and I, while dealing with the fallout of migrating something from AWS Data Pipeline (it entered "Maintenance Mode" and they removed console access earlier this year.)

Data pipelines was also a perennial shit show behind the scenes. Turns out integration is a lot of complexity even if the service is "simple" in concept and doesn't need to be so real time.

I feel like data pipelines and swf have been replaced by step functions+event bus+lambdas/fargate. We've furthered abstractions over time, and that's a good thing.

Edit that said no idea how they scale in comparison

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by res0nat0r »

adrianmsmith wrote: post #120
stilwelldotdev wrote: post #108

"Retiring services isn’t something we do at AWS. It’s quite rare." I read this while I was taking a break from working on an epic to migrate our stuff off of OpsWorks before it gets shut down in May.

That was jarring for me, I wasn't quite sure what the article wanted to say at first. Title "we're doing X", body "we don't do X here".

Chef has been dying for a long time and was beaten to death when the company was bought by some VC and everyone was fired a couple of years ago. I can understand why the service is going away as Chef and Puppet are not exactly gaining marketshare.

AWS rarely retires services and when they do they pretty much give months/year(s) worth of notice before forcing you to migrate which is very nice.

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