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New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by vel0city »

maffydub wrote: post #72
kramerger wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Do this only orally" is always to hide evidence from a future court discovery. I don't think Tesla would do this unless management consider it very serious.

In previous employment (as a software engineer), I've been told to do this too - mainly around inventions we were trying to patent. The reason is slightly less nefarious than you might think - for example, someone might casually say that some aspect of their patent is "obvious" but they're saying that as an expert in their field who may have spent months or years thinking about the problem and alternative solutions.…

I agree its usually not good to sprinkle legal landmines in your email history, but FWIW the obviousness standard for US patents is someone "skilled in the art", so an expert working in that field finding it obvious is failing the obviousness test.

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by delecti »

ta988 wrote: post #80
rsynnott wrote: post #67

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> I own two Teslas and their service is horrible. Genuinely curious; why did you buy the second one? I might possibly be slightly over-vindictive with brands, but once a brand fails me I’m very reluctant to buy something else from them (a Samsung TV with some silly quality control and firmware issues was enough to make me swear off Samsung, and the Nexus 7 (original one; the one that tended to degrade after about a y…

I didn't know the Nexus 7 had issues I had mine for almost 10y and just gave it away to someone it is still working and the battery too (albeit not really long anymore).

You may have had the second iteration. They released a slight upgrade about a year later under the same name, and it wasn't susceptible to the same degradation.

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by bowsamic »

71a54xd wrote: post #112
drewg123 wrote: post #64

Sounds like not much has changed since 2015. A good friend ordered a new Model S in 2015. It arrived with a "squeak" that turned out to be due to missing welds in structural components of the chassis. They wanted him to sign an NDA to get a replacement vehicle (which he refused to do, both on principle, and because he'd talked to friends about it already). So he was forced to keep his vehicle, which was then repaired…

Your friend was a fool to not take the new vehicle (removing his financial burden) and then just do whatever he wanted with the info... Granted, I'd lease a Hyundai before ever considering buying a Tesla. It's too bad bc I like the tech, but lack of ownership, software telemetry and shoddy service is a deal breaker.

He was a fool to avoid a legal battle with Tesla?

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by stef25 »

rsynnott wrote: post #63
stephenr wrote: post #9

The weirdest part of this to me is the customer. You knew the manufacturer had a reputation of forgetting hard to check parts ... and you still bought one. What else could it be missing that you can't practically check for? Still I guess at least it's good to see Tesla living up to the reputation for American cars to be generally shit build quality. I feel like they're going a bit overboard on that factor though.

People are _extremely_ weird about that company. I was half-surprised that the usual, near-obligatory, “I love my Tesla, but…” quote was missing.

Former colleague of mine was Tesla from day 1. Started an online journal of the life of his car. It's stuff like "well this car is great but this year I spent a huge amount of money because A, B, C broke and wasn't covered under warranty". As time goes on the journal just gets worse & worse. Can't help but laugh and be reminded by the family guy episode where they see a Tesla driving itself while the driver's busy sucking his own dick.

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by vel0city »

sixothree wrote: post #84
adionionio wrote: post #28

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If it is legal where you live, you might want to get in the habit of secretly recording business dealings. I always have a recorder in my pocket when dealing with more than a few hundred dollars.

Is it true that if a business states that “calls may be recorded” then no matter where you live, it’s legal to record the call as well.

Staying on the line after being notified the other party is probably going to start recording soon is essentially giving consent. The caller could have just hung up if they didn't want to be recorded.

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by Zarathustra30 »

vikramkr wrote: post #101
jejeyyy77 wrote: post #97

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lol, thats not how it works at all.

I think that's why the parent comment was using the word "should" a lot

For those unclear on the definitions, https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2119

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by zamalek »

toddmorey wrote: post #73
rsynnott wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I own two Teslas and their service is horrible. Genuinely curious; why did you buy the second one? I might possibly be slightly over-vindictive with brands, but once a brand fails me I’m very reluctant to buy something else from them (a Samsung TV with some silly quality control and firmware issues was enough to make me swear off Samsung, and the Nexus 7 (original one; the one that tended to degrade after about a y…

I’m shopping for anything EV other than a Tesla now. There are many options now, but Tesla is still way ahead with the power train. Most competitors aren’t at the same place on range & performance yet. It’s an amazing power train glued inside a 90s-era Oldsmobile.

The Mach E has a mere 40mi less range (290mi) and slightly better performance than the Model Y. They are also adding support for NACS (Tesla charger port) at some point soon. That's the only comparable EV that I know of at the price point, but there's definitely more.

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by kkielhofner »

ozr wrote: post #108
sixothree wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it true that if a business states that “calls may be recorded” then no matter where you live, it’s legal to record the call as well.

Yes. The most aggressive consent requirement for recording is 'two-party' consent, where the both people on the call need to be aware it's being recorded. If you say "this is/may be(ing) recorded" then both parties are aware.

Nitpick but the two-party standard is actually "all party" to cover scenarios where there are more than two parties participating in the conversation.

In the US it's either one party (the majority of states) or all party.

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