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Re: AdNauseam: uBlock Origin fork silently clicking ads on behalf of users

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registrars can take your domain if they don't like you

Do you have an example in mind that is not a government enforcement action?

Stormfront has had its domain name taken away by its registrar, and I believe kiwifarms did as well (cloudflare says they provided ddos protection but not hosting, but other sites I see claim that cloudflare was also their dns provider)

Re: AdNauseam: uBlock Origin fork silently clicking ads on behalf of users

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You know how you pay for cable, and Hulu, and Netflix, and still have to sit through ads? It would be like that. If I'm going to have to watch ads anyway, I'll decline paying for the service, thanks. And go on blocking the ads.

I never had any ads on Netflix when I paid for it.

I might be wrong about Netflix, I have not watched it in a long time. But certainly many pay channels, pay sports networks, and pay streaming services also have ads. Sometimes skipable, sometimes not.

Re: AdNauseam: uBlock Origin fork silently clicking ads on behalf of users

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I'm not sure what headers you're referring to, but it would be easy for a browser extension to open urls Ina way that would be indistinguishable from a user click. That said, it should be fairly straightforward for ad networks to detect large numbers of clicks from a given device and treat it as bot traffic.

>it would be easy for a browser extension to open urls Ina way that would be indistinguishable from a user click. If they actually opened the page as a tab and rendered it, it would be pretty convincing. However, they specifically decided only to send one XHR request, which is easy to detect because a bunch of behaviors associated with normal browsing (eg. loading css fonts, javascript) doesn't get executed.

Yes, the way they've decided to do it, it would be easy to detect. But nothing would stop an extension from loading the initial page, loading any resources from it, etc., without displaying it to the user. (Not that many people would want to run such an extension, since it would slow their browsing for no benefit.)

Re: AdNauseam: uBlock Origin fork silently clicking ads on behalf of users

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>Violating copyright doesn't actively harm the copyright holder. Of course it does. It violates their rights. > This is basically stochastic terrorisim on a small scale. "Stochastic terrorism" is a nonsense concept anyway.

Your intellectual inconsistency is amusing. You believe in intellectual property but not stochastic terrorisim, even though both are just created concepts to explain things that people believe exist.

That is a truly bizarre thing to say. Do you believe that everything with a name exists? If I say the words "the great replacement" does that mean that it actually exists? If I say "COVID-19 lab leak" does that confirm the truth of that theory too?

I tried saying "my enormous wealth" a few times, but I'm still not enormously wealthy. Do you have any tips for how I can learn to make things true just by referring to them?

To be more serious: "stochastic terrorism" is nonsensical because it attributes to a person some act that is not his responsibility. It doesn't matter how large your audience is or what you suspect they might do with the information: saying "this hospital performs masectomies on teenage girls" will never be a terrorist act, even if some audience member allegedly called in a bomb threat later. In no way, shape, or form is that act attributable to him. If you say something, and someone reacts by doing something, that is not your fault, and never will be.

Re: AdNauseam: uBlock Origin fork silently clicking ads on behalf of users

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Something more BBS-like. (Something like this: http://www.textfiles.com/100/ ) You send a detailed list of what's being offered, and expected. I return a request for exactly what I'd like to get ... and nothing else ... along with my list of what I'm willing to send in return. If you don't like my list, deny my request. If you deliberately send me something I didn't checkmark, or change your stated expectations, I'll…

You basically described soulseek, and to a lesser extent, torrents.

Thanks for pointing out soulseek, hadn't heard of it, will be checking into it.

But I meant it in a much more general sense, for most of what happens on the net .... built-in. A LOT of sites want me to enable services that I don't want to deal with. I don't want google-analytics, or apis, or syndication. A LOT of sites want me to subscribe with a long list of personal information. Not happening. A LOT of sites want me to watch advertising; I quit cable-TV long ago.

I could just auto-'nope' to all of those right up front and they could just - reply 'nope' and go away. All recorded once and for all, never knock on that door again.

uBlockO helps with some of that, but things shouldn't be that complicated, it wastes my time, it wastes a huge amount of bandwidth ... and data center energy needs. Enshittification.

Wouldn't have to be all-or-nothing; there could be maybes. By 'BBS-simple' I mean an up-front human-to-human negotiation style. I download something, if the sysop is looking for something and I have it to share, they'll get it, guaranteed, nothing else. Micropayments for their time? Wish we could do that.

If I click a link on a specific topic, and with that query I auto-communicate 1) what I don't want (images say, or a subscription pop-up, or an unwanted 3MB list of all their other features, services, plans, site history) and 2) what they're looking for) ... they could just say 'no go', or we could bargain. The machines can keep track.

Re: AdNauseam: uBlock Origin fork silently clicking ads on behalf of users

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Past discussions: AdNauseam – clicking ads so you don't have to - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34886300 - Feb 2023 (69 comments) AdNauseam – clicking ads so you don't have to - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25043165 - Nov 2020 (11 comments) AdNauseam: Browser extension to fight back against tracking by ad networks - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20048216 - May 2019 (63 comments) AdNauseam – clic…

man people really post about this browser addon ad nauseam

Have you heard of this website called twitter?

Re: AdNauseam: uBlock Origin fork silently clicking ads on behalf of users

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Well, don't use Gmail, or use a domain that you can move to any provider and keep a backup of you're email. If you put yourself in a place where someone can take everything from you than it's a real risk that they might.

registrars can take your domain if they don't like you

Take your domain or refuse to host it?

This is true, but it's a lot harder to piss of a registrar than someone like google that has its fingers in all sorts of pies. Your registrar doesn't necessarily care if you're running and ad blocker or if Google thinks your account should be suspendeded because they don't like your app in the play store.

Re: AdNauseam: uBlock Origin fork silently clicking ads on behalf of users

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Well, don't use Gmail, or use a domain that you can move to any provider and keep a backup of you're email. If you put yourself in a place where someone can take everything from you than it's a real risk that they might.

> use a domain that you can move to any provider and keep a backup of you're email. And which ones are those? Once I've selected the right provider, how do I reliably implement my backups? > If you put yourself in a place where someone can take everything from you than it's a real risk that they might. I'll just go ahead and stop using every major software product created in the last decade. Despite my sarcasm you're…

You buy a domain from wherever, you set it up on Google like anyone can, and not just techies, normies get domains all the time, then, you use pop and download your email.

Is that more than someone might think of? Maybe, but it's not that far fetched if it's something you want to do.

What's hard to get a normal person to do is distrust Google or Facebook et. al.

Edit to point out that normal people who are marginalized by society actually know about this stuff and already do things like this, like having pre-warmed backup accounts on social media platforms avoiding most major banking platforms or diversifying payments platforms to limit impact and hosting their own websites.

There are a lot of simple things you can do to become less dependent and people who tent to find themselves in those places can seek these things out.

Re: AdNauseam: uBlock Origin fork silently clicking ads on behalf of users

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You know how you pay for cable, and Hulu, and Netflix, and still have to sit through ads? It would be like that. If I'm going to have to watch ads anyway, I'll decline paying for the service, thanks. And go on blocking the ads.

> You know how you pay for cable, and Hulu, and Netflix, and still have to sit through ads? It would be like that. Not if it was made illegal to show ads on paid services.

The unlikely proposition of the GP is that a grassroots movement with browser extensions would somehow manage to overwhelm and destroy the advertising industry by rendering it unprofitable and nonsensical.

Passing such legislation would be rather redundant at that point, wouldn't it?

Re: AdNauseam: uBlock Origin fork silently clicking ads on behalf of users

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I like this reasoning. Either we voluntarily stop behaving in a way that advertisers don’t like or we will be forced to stop behaving in ways that advertisers don’t like. The only likely or rational future is that we all stop acting in ways advertisers don’t like, one way or another. We may be best served by proactively rethinking all of our computing habits to make sure they more closely align with AdSense’s goals f…

I’ve seen an incomplete proposal from an adtech CEO that suggests we have a global user ID that we set somewhere, somehow (the tech details aren’t worked out, but the data would be stored centrally in some ad watchdog type org, something like the PCI-DSS Council), and publishers could offer varying levels of access to their site for varying levels of access to your data for advertisements. The user would be able to r…

Adblocking is also theft somehow...

Surreptitiously hijacking people's expensive PCs and network connections that they pay the bills for to download ads that they don't want to see... not theft.

Funny how all this works.

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