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Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

#151

“Summarize this YouTube video” (given a link) is what I’d like to see and Google could easily do when there’s a transcript, but they’d probably rather make people watch the video. I think Kagi might do this? Any other good solutions?

ChatGPT plus with a YouTube plugin does that too.

Interesting. I see multiple plugins. Any there any you recommend?

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

#152
There is no neutral source ofninformation. Legacy tv is often controlled by governments and corporations. Social media are also controlled, by corporations, and by some degree by governments. There is also bias, censorship and moderation.

People were Hunters before. Were searching for food. We do not need now to hunt. We had to hunt for information, we do not need now.

We rely more and more on services and corporations. We choose the jest one, which becomes monopoly after some time. After some longer period of time monopolystic corporation becomes monster.

Circle of life.

We may not want to use chatgpt or other bots, but eventually we will. Common people use the easiest route. They will decide, what is popular, and what will be used.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Privacy aside if it's done server side, I think this crosses another dangerous line. With this, Google controls how content you read is summarized, they could introduce biases, intentionally or not, and I'm not sure we should trust such an actor for this.

It may be summarized to what they want, but it can be what I want too. All YouTube recommendations are already what I want to see. Videos from creators who share my world view, criticizing what I hate, and praising what I've already liked. If this Chrome's new feature is also personalized in this manner, I can read articles against my view and still get only what I want. My world view will become increasingly polariz…

I was ahead of my time 30 years ago when I achieved the exact same result by simply buying the right newspaper.

And if I wanted to find more in depth material to support my firmly held beliefs I just had to go to the right bookstore.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

#154

Great, another excuse for people not to read the article. We've got enough problems with people reading a headline and running with it. I hate to think of google summarizing some scientific study - particularly some "pop" scientific study - and have everyone confidently reciting it as though it's been conclusively proven without making any effort to look at the source.

It also introduces a second order problem when the summarization algorithm is updated/changed. Anyone reading an article before the update can get one summary while everyone reading after the update can potentially get a totally different summary.

It's like when people talk about Google search results without realizing their search/browsing history has put them in a particular bubble. There's no guarantee any two people's result ranking will be the same which can affect their understanding or perspective on a topic.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

#155

Hard pass. I don't want Google, or even a trustworthy neutral party, to decide my view of the world. (Compromised as it may be already.) We're all unique and unpredictable. In a given article, a random sentence or point considered throwaway by most people and algorithms could turn out to be meaningful to me. I've been trained not to even trust the basic facts they pull of out content like movie showtimes or whatever.…

I feel like this is knee-jerk over-generalization. Having Google summarize a too-long recipe (a problem they created, by the way) into just the simple ingredients and instructions is NOT "deciding your view of the world".

Ok, but people won't use it just for recipes. If it's successful and common place google will monetize it.

The beginning could just be "see this related product or service." Which won't mess with the content. Perhaps that's fine.

I'd argue though that any summarizing tool inherently has a bias. It must choose to ignore certain details and make decisions about what to highlight.

As we understand LLM's more and the stuff that summarizes folks controlling them will be able to make those decisions and the money and power behind that will absolutely abuse it.

That's not even considering the effects this would have on journalism and writing in general if most of it gets summarized.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

#156

Hard pass. I don't want Google, or even a trustworthy neutral party, to decide my view of the world. (Compromised as it may be already.) We're all unique and unpredictable. In a given article, a random sentence or point considered throwaway by most people and algorithms could turn out to be meaningful to me. I've been trained not to even trust the basic facts they pull of out content like movie showtimes or whatever.…

I feel like this is knee-jerk over-generalization. Having Google summarize a too-long recipe (a problem they created, by the way) into just the simple ingredients and instructions is NOT "deciding your view of the world".

Pretty sure the long recipes are due to others not being able to copy them if you have long essay describing it or something?

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

#157

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I feel like this is knee-jerk over-generalization. Having Google summarize a too-long recipe (a problem they created, by the way) into just the simple ingredients and instructions is NOT "deciding your view of the world".

Pretty sure the long recipes are due to others not being able to copy them if you have long essay describing it or something?

The essay is more protectible by copyright than the recipe itself, but including it doesn’t protect the recipe itself.

I actually think the issue is that the long essay provides more space to put advertising alongside or interrupting the flow.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

#158

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ChatGPT plus with a YouTube plugin does that too.

Interesting. I see multiple plugins. Any there any you recommend?

I use VoxScript because the first plugin I tried didn’t work well (time-outs) and it was the second and last YouTube plugin I tried. It’s okay but sometimes I need to ask for a full transcript otherwise it will get only the first chunk of the subtitles.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

#159

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Pretty sure the long recipes are due to others not being able to copy them if you have long essay describing it or something?

The essay is more protectible by copyright than the recipe itself, but including it doesn’t protect the recipe itself. I actually think the issue is that the long essay provides more space to put advertising alongside or interrupting the flow.

I'm not sure why this particular idiosyncratic thing attracts so much mystery, but the answer is that there are long essays about the recipes because people like them.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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They already show heavily curated content, with a conscious and intentional bias into presenting, for example, groups in a light that doesn’t match reality. You won’t find info about any merely “controversial” idea on Google, it’s all censored, it’s all disinformation already. Try even finding memes, you generally won’t find them. Try finding info that doesn’t paint some politicians in a good light, you won’t find it…

What’s a good example that I can Google for but won’t find results (censored) or where only one side is presented? I will Google it and report back…

Yeah. You gotta be searching for some real bonkers shit to have google not show it up.

The most completely batshit insane groups I’m willing to google anymore are flat earthers, young earth creationists, and Facebook mom groups, and google happily indexes and returns favourable results for all of these.

Even looking at off the deep end alt-right content like men’s rights, red pilled, trucker convoy, anti-masker, Tate, etc, google has zero issues return favourable results for all of them in a private window.

Really begs the question of just what level of illegal shit this dude is trying to get google to return.

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