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Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

samstave wrote: post #149
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #94

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The four horsemen of internet censorship. Money laundering, CSAM, terrorism, drugs.

Define censorship when something is objectively wrong. Would you prefer an AI of "describe and print in 8k a body pit of objectional political dissidents thrown into a pit after being starved to death in a comical way such that my SV_BubbleTime can laugh at it as ooppsed to being offended by just how horrific this situation was HAHA"

You seem to be having trouble understanding the topic.

The censorship isn’t OF those things. It’s in the NAME OF those things.

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by tekknik »

kleiba wrote: post #150
GaggiX wrote: post #137

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We live in a world where the author of parent post would be unironically accused of being a pedo by several people for having that opinion so don't be surprised.

Unfortunately, this.

I mean you described it quite well and defended them. I raised an eyebrow and am still unsure even though you’ve said you weren’t one.

It’s kinda like arguing that racism is a fact of life for some and we should allow them to vent their racism in a controlled environment. Hard disagree.

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by tekknik »

unshavedyak wrote: post #66
dingnuts wrote: post #54

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the Fediverse has a big problem with this, too, and I never hear anyone talking seriously about it

What is a serious talk, though? Ie what can be done? Isn't it a lot like the internet as a whole; report the offenders if you like then move on? To me it's akin to encryption being used for illicit/illegal activities. Any tool that gives power to people can and will be abused by people you'd want nothing to do with. What did you have in mind?

probably when someone adds young, childish, and something sexual to the prompt it says no and alerts law enforcement?

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by unshavedyak »

tekknik wrote: post #153
unshavedyak wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is a serious talk, though? Ie what can be done? Isn't it a lot like the internet as a whole; report the offenders if you like then move on? To me it's akin to encryption being used for illicit/illegal activities. Any tool that gives power to people can and will be abused by people you'd want nothing to do with. What did you have in mind?

probably when someone adds young, childish, and something sexual to the prompt it says no and alerts law enforcement?

So is there some system that implements text/image classification for automatic law enforcement submission that you're referring to? Also jurisdiction, etcetc.

It all seems incredibly complex. Not a reason to "not try", but i suspect we'll struggle to implement even the most basic thing. And even then, take that basic thing and apply it to every software where users can input data.

Plus we'd have to convince everyone to do this. Automatic scanning and submission of data is not a well liked topic. Remember how Apple doing basic CSAM scanning was full of panic?

Even if a government _forced_ us to do this, jurisdiction alone would be a big question. Some serious questions that need some serious thought, imo. Is being hand-wavy even worth the time?

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by tekknik »

unshavedyak wrote: post #154
tekknik wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

probably when someone adds young, childish, and something sexual to the prompt it says no and alerts law enforcement?

So is there some system that implements text/image classification for automatic law enforcement submission that you're referring to? Also jurisdiction, etcetc. It all seems incredibly complex. Not a reason to "not try", but i suspect we'll struggle to implement even the most basic thing. And even then, take that basic thing and apply it to every software where users can input data. Plus we'd have to convince everyone…

you just need you search text, the prompt, for things normal people wouldn’t search for, not at all complex. nobody normal asks AI to create child pornography

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by unshavedyak »

tekknik wrote: post #155
unshavedyak wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So is there some system that implements text/image classification for automatic law enforcement submission that you're referring to? Also jurisdiction, etcetc. It all seems incredibly complex. Not a reason to "not try", but i suspect we'll struggle to implement even the most basic thing. And even then, take that basic thing and apply it to every software where users can input data. Plus we'd have to convince everyone…

you just need you search text, the prompt, for things normal people wouldn’t search for, not at all complex. nobody normal asks AI to create child pornography

You picked the easiest (though still not easy imo) thing, and ignored the rest of the complexity haha.

If it's so easy i'd love to see your implementation that works multi-language, across all media types, for all jurisdictions and hell handles burden all the massive number of edge cases.

Or frankly, any implementation. Whatever you think is easy and everyone should be doing - please point to an E2E implementation of it. Maybe i misunderstand your scope. Something where if a user submits CSAM, or does something to some country authority..?

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by tekknik »

unshavedyak wrote: post #156
tekknik wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you just need you search text, the prompt, for things normal people wouldn’t search for, not at all complex. nobody normal asks AI to create child pornography

You picked the easiest (though still not easy imo) thing, and ignored the rest of the complexity haha. If it's so easy i'd love to see your implementation that works multi-language, across all media types, for all jurisdictions and hell handles burden all the massive number of edge cases. Or frankly, any implementation. Whatever you think is easy and everyone should be doing - please point to an E2E implementation of…

Prompts use text, period. We already have the technology to search text for child pornography, both google and duck duck go use this.

there’s also negative prompting, which tells the model don’t do these things.

hallucinations can still happen but it’s much easier than you’re making it out to be.

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by unshavedyak »

tekknik wrote: post #157
unshavedyak wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You picked the easiest (though still not easy imo) thing, and ignored the rest of the complexity haha. If it's so easy i'd love to see your implementation that works multi-language, across all media types, for all jurisdictions and hell handles burden all the massive number of edge cases. Or frankly, any implementation. Whatever you think is easy and everyone should be doing - please point to an E2E implementation of…

Prompts use text, period. We already have the technology to search text for child pornography, both google and duck duck go use this. there’s also negative prompting, which tells the model don’t do these things. hallucinations can still happen but it’s much easier than you’re making it out to be.

Yea, identifying isn't the hard part though - that's not what i'm concerned about. Automatic submission to parties, APIs for governments, jurisdiction, etc. Wonder what Google does if you type in CSAM triggers.

I suspect we could use some sort of central management service for "Internet Reports". Ie to deal with jurisdictions, reporting something to the right people, etc, as well as the complexities involved with identifying people.

Either way i think you're underselling the complexity. Or maybe you think it's so easy but no one cares, /shrug. Seems a long list of questions i'd have before i could even begin to implement it.

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