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A story as old as time. I’m am however increasingly tired of this glorification of sex work, it’s low skill low value work, end of story.
We are all animals at night
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Re: We are all animals at night
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have men been told they're entitled to sex and attention for free tho? I kinda feel it's the exact opposite. Men are told they need to pay for meals, rooms, travel, and housing and custody later. Men are told they should be the proactive side and take the risk of being rejected. I'd even say (at least in TV shows and movies) men are expected to be the funny ones and provide entertaining values in a relationship. I'm…
> Have men been told they're entitled to sex and attention for free tho? I kinda feel it's the exact opposite. Men are told they need to pay for meals, rooms, travel, and housing and custody later. Men are told they should be the proactive side and take the risk of being rejected. I'd even say (at least in TV shows and movies) men are expected to be the funny ones and provide entertaining values in a relationship. Do…
I have to admit I'm a bit tired and don't know where you're going with this. They're not saying that making the first move entitles one to sex; they're saying the standards are higher for men.
I do think that there are a lot of men who feel bitter that they'll never have sex with a woman, but I don't think anything in mainstream society condones such feelings. It's more of a subculture of lonely men turning misogynistic.
Re: We are all animals at night
#153Let's get this straight. The person blessed with what is basically a panhandling superpower -- an attractive female body -- somehow says her marks , the ones paying $80, have an entitled attitude toward sexual attention. Pause and think about that. Do you think these guys had a Plan B to buy them an English degree? These places conduct zero-sum economic activity. One person loses money, one person gains money, and no…
I guess art, music, professional sports, and fine dining are all essentially zero-sum and useless as well then? What tangible benefit does a museum visitor get for their ticket? I presume your job must be much more important for the good of society than sex work.
> I presume your job must be much more important for the good of society than sex work.
It sure is and I think it would be hard to deny that. Everyday I go to work I generate a large amount of value for the economy, far more than I get paid for.
Sex work simply isn’t very valuable. Anyone can do it, you don’t need any intelligence or skill to make a buck via sex.
Re: We are all animals at night
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Have men been told they're entitled to sex and attention for free tho? I kinda feel it's the exact opposite. Men are told they need to pay for meals, rooms, travel, and housing and custody later. Men are told they should be the proactive side and take the risk of being rejected. I'd even say (at least in TV shows and movies) men are expected to be the funny ones and provide entertaining values in a relationship. Do…
I have to admit I'm a bit tired and don't know where you're going with this. They're not saying that making the first move entitles one to sex; they're saying the standards are higher for men. I do think that there are a lot of men who feel bitter that they'll never have sex with a woman, but I don't think anything in mainstream society condones such feelings. It's more of a subculture of lonely men turning misogynis…
The article on question here is literally about prostitution. Sex can be bought for resources, people are selling it - the world's oldest profession.
It is also cheap.
So the notion that the problem is "men who will never have sex" is fairly obviously false.
Re: We are all animals at night
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Have men been told they're entitled to sex and attention for free tho? I kinda feel it's the exact opposite. Men are told they need to pay for meals, rooms, travel, and housing and custody later. Men are told they should be the proactive side and take the risk of being rejected. I'd even say (at least in TV shows and movies) men are expected to be the funny ones and provide entertaining values in a relationship. Do…
> Do you think in providing those things, men then become entitled to sex or attention? You seem to have skipped the take the risk of being rejected part of that comment when reading.
If the ego damage of getting turned down by a prospective romantic partner is a risk worthy of any note at all then you need to be in therapy, not on the dating market.
Re: We are all animals at night
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I don’t see the negatives other commenters are pointing out. Yes she’s talking about her perceptions born from her clients and years worked. That’s an absolute right for all of us, right? To simply relate the experiences we’ve had. She's not "simply relating experiences" though. She goes beyond that, turning them into a general sociopolitical claim: > Unlike sex work, my “good” jobs didn’t threaten to overthrow tra…
> She goes beyond that, turning them into a general sociopolitical claim Also well within her right to do so.
Nobody is saying she shouldn't be allowed to do that. But when you talk politics, everyone else is "well within their right" to disagree with you.
Re: We are all animals at night
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
My guess is that they are asexual, not sure why everyone is jumping to them not requiring food for some reason.
They literally said they believe the pyramid of needs to be upside down, so you'd have self-actualization at the bottom, and food and shelter at the top.
And air
Re: We are all animals at night
#158Let's get this straight. The person blessed with what is basically a panhandling superpower -- an attractive female body -- somehow says her marks , the ones paying $80, have an entitled attitude toward sexual attention. Pause and think about that. Do you think these guys had a Plan B to buy them an English degree? These places conduct zero-sum economic activity. One person loses money, one person gains money, and no…
I had similar thoughts. She gets to take money from lonely men and then call them the bad guys. Saying it out loud costs HN points though.
“Take” money? They aren’t receiving a service in return?
Re: We are all animals at night
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
I guess art, music, professional sports, and fine dining are all essentially zero-sum and useless as well then? What tangible benefit does a museum visitor get for their ticket? I presume your job must be much more important for the good of society than sex work.
> I presume your job must be much more important for the good of society than sex work. It sure is and I think it would be hard to deny that. Everyday I go to work I generate a large amount of value for the economy, far more than I get paid for. Sex work simply isn’t very valuable. Anyone can do it, you don’t need any intelligence or skill to make a buck via sex.
Is there no balm in Gilead?
No value and no skill? My foot. There's more to life than generating value for the economy.
Re: We are all animals at night
#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I presume your job must be much more important for the good of society than sex work. It sure is and I think it would be hard to deny that. Everyday I go to work I generate a large amount of value for the economy, far more than I get paid for. Sex work simply isn’t very valuable. Anyone can do it, you don’t need any intelligence or skill to make a buck via sex.
Is there no balm in Gilead? No value and no skill? My foot. There's more to life than generating value for the economy.
All animals can have sex, most without thinking. It’s the definition of skillless work when even a mouse can figure it out and most humans get it for free.
Some guys are lonely and will pay for any hole to stick it in, but that doesn’t mean the work has any real value.
Make no mistake that’s what they see her as, some random hole to enjoy and she’s trying to cope with that.