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Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by ericbarrett » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 2:51 AM UTC

slaughtr wrote: post #108

OJFord wrote: post #38

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Similarly, I had no idea about this feature, but I now know I want it... I think I just need it to be cheaper, maybe $5 unlimited (or enough for me, which I think is certainly higher than 300, probably higher than 1000, at least without behaviour change) and I'd be in I assume it's a bit chicken and egg - marginal costs of new customers/extra searches is relatively low, it's the crawling & development/SRE that's expe…

I was worried about the 1000 search limit, and it has so far (since beta) proven not to be a problem. I use Kagi for all my searches on all machines and my phone and average 800 or so a month. I haven’t modified my behavior at all, and consider myself a heavy search engine user. I have a theory that I would actually need to do twice as many searches with Google or DuckDuckGo or whatever, since the SEO spam would forc…

That sounds appealing, but there are so many $10 and $15 monthly warts on my balance that the burden of adding another (with even a minor overcharge fee) feels pretty high. I wish their lower tiers had double the current limits.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by ocdtrekkie » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 2:52 AM UTC

nonethewiser wrote: post #90

andirk wrote: post #12

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It often outranks MDN official docs which these days are very readable, in-depth, with examples, and a simple UI and the only time I click to inappropriately named W3Schools is by accident because it's the top result and I'm expecting MDN and then I click back and that's why I don't like it.

Nothing about that makes w3 a poor source. I get why you block it - so MDN is shown first. That’s fair. Im just saying its not a fault of W3. Because I tend to agree with that guy. W3 really isnt bad. A bit simplistic, and MDN is better, but its not bad.

That's why Kagi's personalization is so cool here. Kagi doesn't have to block it, and neither does the user. The user can just lower it, and raise MDN, because that's what they want in their search, and it helps them more.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by lukas099 » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 2:55 AM UTC

Modified3019 wrote: post #41

ublacklist works with many search engines. A little bit of very easy effort goes a LONG way to cleaning up your results. https://github.com/iorate/ublacklist And here's two bonus things you need if you make use of youtube Sponsorblock. As it says on the tin, automatically skips sponsor sections. https://github.com/ajayyy/SponsorBlock Dearrow. An open source and crowdsourced tool replace youtubes stupid fucking clickb…

Followed the Firefox link on DeArrow, and it leads to an "Oops! We can't find that page".

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by unshavedyak » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 2:55 AM UTC

freediver wrote: post #57

jonReadingNews wrote: post #45

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I was hesitant to configure my partner’s devices (family plan) to set as default engine but eventually convinced them and they haven’t even brought it up once since. I assume no news is good news! I would be less hesitant to recommend to other non-tech friends/family if it were easier to configure as default on Safari. Heck, I’d even entertain gifting subscriptions. The quality of results for me has been incredibly r…

Thank you very much for the kind words. Unfortunately we can not influence the choices that Safari makes, but we did pull an effort to build an entire browser [1] to replace it because of that :) [1] https://browser.kagi.com

Any progress on a Linux version?

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by Nextgrid » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 2:55 AM UTC

munk-a wrote: post #19

I'm surprised Reddit isn't higher on the list. Either I'm on a desktop and Reddit's website is a bit clunky to use - or I'm on mobile and I have to click past several attempts at them to funnel me into their app. It is a true shame that so much useful information gets trapped within their ecosystem.

Kagi has another feature that can rewrite search results' URLs based on regexes: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/features/redirects.html.

I successfully use it to automatically link to Old Reddit. I guess it can also be used to rewrite user-hostile websites' URLs such as YouTube/Twitter/etc to less hostile frontends such as Invidious or Nitter.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by mmh0000 » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 2:57 AM UTC

p1mrx wrote: post #122

delfinom wrote: post #67

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Even 2 decades later, you can never unsee it

It's only obvious when you format it that way. They primarily used "Experts Exchange" and http://www.experts-exchange.com/

Yeah, now they use that, but back in the good old days of the internet, they did not.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by Nextgrid » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 2:58 AM UTC

scarmig wrote: post #33

lolinder wrote: post #6

This feature is Kagi's single best innovation in search. It's what makes their results so much better than Google's: where Google's results are usually drowning in garbage websites, Kagi comes built-in with a great set of spam filters, and on top of that you can adapt your own personal list of good and bad domains as you go!

Didn't Google have this feature like two decades ago (blocks, at least)? It's not quite a search innovation, more like a "caring about your users as a business strategy" innovation.

People would use it to block all the spam sites that host copious amounts of (potentially Google's) Ads/Analytics, and since they might actually start finding what they're looking for this will reduce engagement on the search results page and with the sponsored links.

This is bad for Google's bottom-line thus why such a feature was removed and will never be coming back.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by tmnvix » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 2:59 AM UTC

Interesting that nytimes.com is on both the 'block' and 'raise' lists.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by scarmig » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 2:59 AM UTC

p1mrx wrote: post #122

delfinom wrote: post #67

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Even 2 decades later, you can never unsee it

It's only obvious when you format it that way. They primarily used "Experts Exchange" and http://www.experts-exchange.com/

Nowadays that's the domain, but only after they did a migration from expertsexchange.com awhile back.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by unshavedyak » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 3:00 AM UTC

abtinf wrote: post #105

Every time Kagi comes up, a lot of folks say it is too expensive. That it should be unlimited. That if it was just $x per month, then it would be worth it. That they feel uncomfortable about the limits. I will simply say that I cannot imagine going back to being a “user” of a “search provider” over being a paying Kagi customer. It is the single most critical service I worry about losing. If they octupled the price to…

Sidenote, i'm a very happy $5-10/m Kagi user. However i also happily pay $20-$30/m for ChatGPT or Phind. I hope one day Kagi consumes some of these shares too (to convert my $30 to Phind into $30 for Kagi).

That might sound insane, i'd think so too, but FastGPT[1] is pretty damn good. It's not trying to be Phind, but still, quite surprising to me that it exists.