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Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by onli »

memefrog wrote: post #140
user_named wrote: post #138

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You are completely wrong. A publisher controls the publication of a work, text or other, including it's duplication and licensing. Other companies cannot xerox a book and sell it. Clear?

Indexing has clear analogues from before the Internet. It is obviously not copyright infringement. Quoting a small snippet to give context for a search result also obviously isnt copyright infringement.

So much so that publishers created special law to make unpaid snippets illegal in the context of global search engines, specifically to target Google, outside of copyright. Happened in the EU, Canada (I think) and Australia.

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by user_named »

onli wrote: post #150
user_named wrote: post #149

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Xeroxing a book and selling it isn't legal, you realize that right.

> I specifically gave the example of selling it not being covered by what I'm talking about.

Useless. This discussion is about braver selling the indexed content via their api.

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by bastawhiz »

sangnoir wrote: post #115
bastawhiz wrote: post #113

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Let's say I pay for Kagi. Kagi is a tool that I'm using to avoid doing hard work manually. With relatively few exceptions, I can probably accomplish what I use a search engine for manually, but with much more time and effort. So I'm paying for a tool to assist me with my use of the web. A "user agent", you might even say. It simply doesn't sound right to say which tool a user can use. It's literally the same as argui…

> With relatively few exceptions, I can probably accomplish what I use a search engine for manually, but with much more time and effort. So I'm paying for a tool to assist me with my use of the web. A "user agent", you might even say 1. User agents should identify themselves 2. A crawler is not a User agent - it's an agent for Brave >I don't think there's any court at this point that would back you up that freely pub…

> User agents should identify themselves

There is no rule that this is true, and many user agents exist _specifically to not be identified_. See Tor and other privacy-centric user agents.

> A crawler is not a User agent - it's an agent for Brave

You know, I thought "what does Wikipedia have to say on this matter?" and sure enough:

> Examples include all common web browsers, such as Google Chrome, Mozilla Firefox, and Safari, as well as some email readers, command-line utilities like cURL, and arguably headless services that power part of a larger application, such as a web crawler.

I can't even make that up.

> just because something is publicly available doesn't mean anyone can redistribute it

You're mistaking reselling content with providing access to it. By your logic, caching proxy servers would be illegal on the grounds of copyright. The physical act of downloading files necessarily creates copies of the data every step of the journey from the source server to you. There's a material difference between paying someone for a copy of some content and paying someone to fetch content for you on your behalf. Nothing about copyright law specifically requires the person physically acquiring the content is the one who ends up consuming it.

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by onli »

user_named wrote: post #152
onli wrote: post #150

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> I specifically gave the example of selling it not being covered by what I'm talking about.

Useless. This discussion is about braver selling the indexed content via their api.

No it's not.

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by vGPU »

fsflover wrote: post #137
vGPU wrote: post #129

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Yacy search results/ranking are worse than useless

Because too few people are participating.

I run a senior peer.

The issue is the metadata ranking is garbage, the documentation extremely lacking, and the support is nonexistent. The software is confusingly laid out, with various options strewn all over the place and absolutely no clue given as to what they do.

If you want a peer driven search engine, perhaps the quick start guide shouldn’t involve having to read the source code.

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by ric2b »

waithuh wrote: post #146
cvalka wrote: post #94

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They are right and you are wrong. If some web page is publicly available, it should be indexed. Scraping neutrality, please.

Heavily disagree. I own the server, thus the website. I should be able to allow or disallow any type of web crawler/scraper i want. Similar to how you cant easily regulate whats in a website without lawsuits and takedowns, you cant regulate how discoverable a website is.

> I should be able to allow or disallow any type of web crawler/scraper i want.

You're certainly allowed to try, but I don't see why indexers should be mandated to collaborate with you. They serve their users, not you.

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by lern_too_spel »

memefrog wrote: post #144
lern_too_spel wrote: post #116

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Brave the organization runs and integrates with anarchocapitalist cryptoscams. That's far beyond anything Mozilla the organization has done, and if it's not worse in magnitude by itself, that's only because Brave thankfully remains a miniscule also-ran. Writing copy about sponsoring Web3 gaming expos is far stupider than writing about getting a sneaker designer to add some browser themes. But yes, Eich and his horrib…

Disagreements about the meaning of the English word "marriage" arent even political disagreements. No more so than any other disagreements about what words mean. Disagreeing that marriage can, by definition, include homosexual relationships isnt "treatment" of anyone. You dont treat someone differently by saying "I think you should be able to have a legally recognised relationship but I refuse to allow language to be…

> You dont treat someone differently by saying "I think you should be able to have a legally recognised relationship but I refuse to allow language to be actively and deliberately manipulated".

You do if the word has a legal definition and you refuse the benefits tied to that legal definition. Eich is free to call it whatever he wants as long as people get the benefits of marriage, something he paid to stop from happening. What kind of asshole thinks it's OK to treat someone poorly because of quibbles over how everyone else is allowed to use a word? For that matter, Douglas is free to call black people "human goods" so long as he doesn't allow them to actually be bought and sold by controlling legal definitions that allow for it.

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by lern_too_spel »

hightrix wrote: post #84
lern_too_spel wrote: post #16

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What if I want googlebot to crawl it but not bravebot? Every other search engine lets me block its crawler specifically. Only Brave has this shady policy.

> What if I want googlebot to crawl it but not bravebot? Then you need to gate your content such that it is not available openly to the public. This falls inline with many objections to Google's WEI. If you host content openly and allow access freely, then don't be surprised when people access it at will and use it for free.

Then why does bravebot obey robots.txt at all? It does, and it will respect blocks of ggoglebot, but it won't allow blocking just it or just googlebot.

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by lern_too_spel »

gettodachoppa wrote: post #132
lern_too_spel wrote: post #16

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What if I want googlebot to crawl it but not bravebot? Every other search engine lets me block its crawler specifically. Only Brave has this shady policy.

Youu want the monopolistic tech giant to crawl you but not a small privacy-focused company? What possible justification could you have for this attitude?

If you want your robots.txt to tell bravebot to crawl your site but not googlebot, Brave puts you in the same position. You can't.

What possible justification could Brave have for this policy?

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by isaacremuant »

magicalist wrote: post #67
isaacremuant wrote: post #64

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Brave is the one that censors less, from all those. Specially doesn't censor for political motives that I'm aware of. That already makes it worth of support. But Google having become so bad of late has made switching quite easy, even if brave is not getting better super fast, Google unfortunately is getting worse and making up for it.

> Specially doesn't censor for political motives that I'm aware of What are the censored image searches you found?

I meant for text. Haven't really used the image feature yet.
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