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Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad impressions or revenue

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Re: Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad impressions or revenue

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I'm in the Google ecosystem but I agree with the sentiment. Apple has no financial incentive to collect my data. Since they've begun differentiating themselves through their emphasis on privacy I think they have a financial incentive to protect my privacy.

> Apple has no financial incentive to collect my data They simply understand most of your data isn't worth anything, it's a liability rather than an asset. They know it'd be a waste of energy and customer relations to peek into most of it, so they don't bother. They collect what they can readily use (such as your purchase history - they're pretty open about it), and don't care about the rest (spying on your conversat…

They also make money on hardware not advertising - that data is useless to their core revenue streams (and might actually hurt them) where Facebook and google sell ads

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Plex Inc. is not a good company. They are eager to collect and sell your data to advertisers. Jellyfin is a great alternative. Plex may share Collected Information as expressly set forth in this Privacy Policy, including the following limited situations: [...] With third parties to improve and deliver advertising to you on our behalf. Plex may also use third-party advertising companies to serve ads, which may, direct…

where "my data" means a record of the shows i watch. i'm okay with that. the shows i watch don't need to be a secret. i want advertisers to know what i watch, so more of that sort of TV gets made. If Plex can make money off this information, and give me a good service in exchange for that, it seems like an arrangement that benefits us both. what's the problem?

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Re: Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad impressions or revenue

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I personally think Apple does things correctly, and they do charge a premium, but they sell good products rather than requiring more of your time and energy (ads)

Apple has ads[1][2][3] 1 - https://searchads.apple.com/ 2 - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2022-08-14/apple-... 3 - https://gizmodo.com/apple-tv-plus-more-ads-coming-tv-exec-la...

AFAIK just on the App Store. That’s it.

Re: Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad impressions or revenue

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AFAIK, Google TV isn't.

https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/articles/00279895 Maybe there's a difference between Google TV and an Android TV, but my partner's dad can't buy/rent stuff on Prime Video through his tv, he has to use another device and then can watch it on his tv. He finds it very irksome, to say the least. My understanding is that this came around by Google insisting on the 30% cut of purchases made in the Prime Video app…

I don't think there's any significant difference here between Google TV and Android TV that I'm aware of. I don't think that's a great user experience obviously, but this is different from taking a portion of all the ad revenue which is shown on the device.

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Turns out we would in fact download a car.

Remember when Jesus downloaded all those loaves and fishes and got crucified?

Bet he didn't pay the wine tax either.

Re: Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad impressions or revenue

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What is meant is that services explicitly short change Linux users by restricting resolution based on client in a fashion that isn't trivially circumvented by fudging the user agent. For instance a given content may be available in glorious 4K only via an app on a TV, 1080p via a windows or mac machine, and dogshit 720p that actually manages to look worse than old SD on Linux. This is basically true of every service…

I've heard the others are as you say, but Youtube delivers 4k to me on Linux, in Firefox or mpv.

Youtube has the video service with cats, puppies, howtos, reviews, and conspiracy theories and YoutubeTV which has live TV, as well as movies, and shows. It is the latter which is artificially limited on Linux but LESS so than for instance hulu or Amazon.

In case any confusion remains these latter are available at tv.youtube.com with a subscription.

Re: Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad impressions or revenue

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Roku does the same. At this point I would be surprised if any box or TV isn't taking 30%.

I don't love the model, but it's hard to see long term how Roku sustains itself on hardware sales alone. How many new Roku devices does one house need in a 3-5 year period? Investors want recurring revenue streams, and a new Roku device every few years isn't going to do that.

Kind of surprised that Roku hasn't been bought up yet.

Re: Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad impressions or revenue

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I have 7 HDMI slots on my TV, ready for Peacock Stick, Hulu Disney Plus stick, Netflix Stick, Paramount Plus stick, Max Hub etc etc Not more than seven though mmmkay?

You'd probably DoS your router if they're all on concurrently due to all the data exfiltration they're performing.

>data exfiltration

Pi Hole can help with limiting this:

https://pi-hole.net

Here's the 24-hour top blocked domains list for my network (1x Kindle Fire Stick):

https://i.imgur.com/JZsO3WK.png

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I'm in the Google ecosystem but I agree with the sentiment. Apple has no financial incentive to collect my data. Since they've begun differentiating themselves through their emphasis on privacy I think they have a financial incentive to protect my privacy.

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