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Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by mdp2021 »

23B1 wrote: post #148
mdp2021 wrote: post #128

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You can, but satisfactory text editors on Android can be hard to find. No issue with a large enough EPD tablet, a BT keyboard, a good text editor, good configuration and your ability to adapt to the system (latency etc.)

Thanks – I probably should have been clearer: I work in a variety of programs (FinalDraft, Highland 2, Gdocs, Scrivener, Notion) so I need to emulate what I see on my regular screen (OSX). My goal with the e-ink display is to be able to do more writing outside.

Then you could use Remote Desktop connection from your original laptop to a good EPD tablet, presumably Android based (to install the needed software on it). Or, of course, a monitor like that of the submission.

But the biggest colour EPD tablet I see after a brief search is only 10.3'' big, see nearby https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=mdp2021

You will also have to be prepared to the different technology: latency, for example, will be implied; ghosting; good lighting dependence...

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by Scene_Cast2 »

mdp2021 wrote: post #69

Do not miss an important detail: it is Kaleido. It means, it uses an overlaid colour filter matrix (RGBW, if I remember correctly). This allows for the comparatively high refresh rates of B/W EPD, but it is B/W EPD with a semi-transparent multi-tinted layer on top, which obviously impacts the brightness. (The alternative would be multi-pigmented EPD cells - "Advanced Color E-Paper"... Which suffers from dramatically…

Oh, interesting detail. I was looking towards the rumored Fujitsu Quaderno A4 Gen 3, which is supposed to have a Kaleido 3 color panel.

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by pepa65 »

hoosieree wrote: post #91
ChrisRR wrote: post #55

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I do anecdotally find that the better ambient light causes less eye strain.

When your pupils are smaller, the image that hits your retina is sharper, just like with a pinhole camera. Sharper images lead to less eyestrain because you don't need to keep your eye still for as long. I use light color themes for this reason. Although I always add the caveat to "do what works for you", because everyone's body is different.

The strain on my eyes is majorly caused by the lights shining into it. Dark mode helps, lower light emission helps. My eyes don't seem to strain so much keeping still...

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by throitallaway »

mdp2021 wrote: post #149
tomcam wrote: post #146

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Very valuable feedback, thank you. Coil whine would drive me bananas. Username checks out.

To be noted that EPD displays are in general completely silent. This exception...

Of course, there's more to a monitor than just the display. It could be the power supply, driver board, etc. that's the cause for coil whine. I've had it on one laptop that I owned; whenever there was I/O with the SSD I'd get a little bit of whine.

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by gamblor956 »

orbital-decay wrote: post #106
mdp2021 wrote: post #100

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> the same issues with glare True, but that is a property of the products, not of the technology. (It seems that they are not using external layers of the highest quality.) So it may be possible to find an EPD display with a decent anti-glare finish. (It may also depend on the production batch.)

It absolutely is the property of technology. You fundamentally need the see-through layer, and there's not a lot of materials that meet all requirements (optical transparency, durability, finish, coatings, etc); essentially it's plastics and glasses. In that sense, EPD isn't any different from other display tech.

E-inks do not require a glass screen; it's there for durability. See https://www.digikey.com/en/maker/blogs/2022/is-an-e-ink-disp....

Thus, the see-through layer is not a fundamental property of the technology; it is a property of the specific use cases of the device in which durability is required or expected.

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by layer8 »

agentultra wrote: post #133
layer8 wrote: post #124

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> The real benefit of these screens is being able to use a computer without the associated eye-strain. Depends on your eyes. For my aging eyes e-ink is much too low-contrast. A high-DPI OLED screen on the other hand…

I think it does depend a lot because my aging eyes, even high-DPI OLED screens tire me right out. E-Ink, on the other hand, requires much less strain as my eyes only have to take in the ambient light and not be staring directly into a high-nit source.

I normally set the brightness of displays so that they are similar to the brightness of the environment (which is the general recommendation for ergonomics). Similar to how bright a piece of white paper would appear in that environment. I’m thus usually not “staring directly into a high-nit source”, regardless of the display technology.

The problem with e-ink is that their “white” is light gray instead of white, and their “black” is gray instead of black.

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

keerthiko wrote: post #150
jseliger wrote: post #101

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I've written about this on HN before, but the RM2 people don't make the device show up as a standard USB device, which makes file manipulations hard. I think this is an effort to sell their "cloud" server stuff for a few dollars a month. That's not been the effect on me; instead, I barely use mine, and complain about it on the Internet.

To make this simpler I made Regittable[0] for personal use. As only an occasional RM2 user (a weekend a month), I activate the python script on my desktop, pack my RM2 and go to a cafe, and when I'm back my files are all in Dropbox or in the project git repo, depending on if they're new or old respectively. I had plans to add more features to Regittable (like have it submit PRs instead of committing as you) but never…

I will add as a user who dealt with it I will add that there is a ( paid ) solution that works well for my RM2[1]. It can be done on your own, but the amount of work made it worth the money Davis is asking.

After that.. all of a sudden I started using it a lot more.

http://www.davisr.me/projects/rcu/

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by sisve »

mdp2021 wrote: post #131
sisve wrote: post #122

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Yes, i have the gray-scale version of this. Its really really good. You do not want to watch a movie on it.but if you need to see a 30 sec movie to understand something it ok. The biggest problem with the greyscale is how much color has to say on everything. Its so hard to see terminal errors etc. Yes you can customize a lot. And I do have use custom vs code themes and terminal themes. Buti need to switch each day wh…

> darkmode You need a contrast enhancing browser, or a shortcut for colour inversion (e.g. `xcalib -a -i` )

Thanks. Will try that. It's not that much stress to switch. But def a shortcut will be even lower barrier to use.

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by 23B1 »

mdp2021 wrote: post #151
23B1 wrote: post #148

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Thanks – I probably should have been clearer: I work in a variety of programs (FinalDraft, Highland 2, Gdocs, Scrivener, Notion) so I need to emulate what I see on my regular screen (OSX). My goal with the e-ink display is to be able to do more writing outside.

Then you could use Remote Desktop connection from your original laptop to a good EPD tablet, presumably Android based (to install the needed software on it). Or, of course, a monitor like that of the submission. But the biggest colour EPD tablet I see after a brief search is only 10.3'' big, see nearby https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=mdp2021 You will also have to be prepared to the different technology: latency,…

Thanks a ton for the advice!
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