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Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by bee_rider »

MildRant wrote: post #122
bee_rider wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear Firefox is mismanaged all the time, but it seems to be a perfectly fine browser for the most part. I hear all about sites that won’t render in comments on this website, but they must all be internal tools or something because I never encounter them.

I sparingly run into sites that don't render properly on Firefox but they do exist. As an example, Ticketmaster's account page has problems on Firefox that I don't get on Chromium.

Firefox is helping you, Ticketmaster is evil.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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kalleboo wrote: post #62
leesalminen wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why do they care so much about this? Is it only for DRM on media playback?

The stated reason is to stop bots from being counted as ad views and make sure that all ad views are done by actual humans. This is likely even honest reasoning from the people developing it. The same technology could easily be applied to simply blocking anyone who isn't verified (in the name of stopping spam, DDoS, bank security, you name it), meaning anyone not using an approved install of Windows/macOS/Android/iOS…

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Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by ChatGTP »

mozball wrote: post #26

If this isn't the straw that breaks the camel's back, there is never going to be one. Google needs to be broken up. They own the browser market. They own the web (through Adwords). They own Search. They own mobile. They own most of the video sharing market with 2.5 billion monthly annual users. They own a good chunk of email with 1.2 billion monthly annual users. They have amassed an incomprehensible amount of power…

Don't forget, increasingly transport, you won't be able to get a taxi in SF soon without being monitored / tracked by Google.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by pluc »

j1elo wrote: post #123
pluc wrote: post #44

This is a crisis of our own making. You don't want Google taking decisions for the web at large? Then don't let them own 85% of the browser market share. When that's the case they don't need W3C or anything to implement whatever they want, they effectively control the client-side internet.

It's proven that mass marketing works. Tell me how a minority of informed and caring users can avoid on their own that a single large scale bad actor pours millions over millions of dollars to convince the uninformed masses about whatever they want. It even happens in actual elections when some factions use misinformation campaigns to alter the average voter's perception! So not an easy task to solve without help.

Totally. In most things, you need to have the ability to trust that users will make (or at least see) the right choice even over multi-million marketing initiatives. Given today's people and today's marketing, I'd say we're properly fucked.

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Post by asciimov »

ailef wrote: post #4

Can somebody explain what are the practical implications of this?

Unblockable ads, sites can serve you data that you can’t manipulate or copy, micropayments can exist, invasive surveillance.

Surveillance is possibly the worst of the bunch. They say it’s just to do a better job of serving ads, but that’s only the tip of the iceberg. Governments could easily use it to know and track everything you do online. Just wait till the next elected nut job wants a list of everybody that has ever looked at or searched for a certain type of information, maybe they don’t like that you looked up info on abortions or lgbt info, now they can know the full extent of what you saw and when.

Ads will be worse. You think YouTube ads are bad now, just wait till you can’t visit any page without the mandatory viewing of their ads. They can require a cam installed to make sure your eyes are on the ad, helpfully pausing the video when you look away.

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Post by josephd79 »

scarface_74 wrote: post #59
mozball wrote: post #26

If this isn't the straw that breaks the camel's back, there is never going to be one. Google needs to be broken up. They own the browser market. They own the web (through Adwords). They own Search. They own mobile. They own most of the video sharing market with 2.5 billion monthly annual users. They own a good chunk of email with 1.2 billion monthly annual users. They have amassed an incomprehensible amount of power…

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what browser do you use?

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by thejosh »

jgrahamc wrote: post #127
thejosh wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cloudflare want to be the internets backbone. And they've honestly succeeded. Now it's almost impossible to access websites in an automated way -- the CTO posted you can just email him ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34639212 ) and he'll sort it. Because that scales. edit: Mispoke about the CTO, said he would approve you, I was wrong. Apologies. Their DNS is "privacy focused", but they provide "aggregated resu…

I don't have a mechanism to "approve you". We don't have any clue who people are and so even if I wanted to "approve you" I couldn't.

Sorry, this was wrong. I was a fool to post that without providing context and I apologise. I have updated my comment. I sometimes forget there are real people on the other side of the computer sometimes.

It was this thread, where you mentioned emailing: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34639212

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