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Re: Government URLs that don't end in .gov

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Country calling codes date from the 60s and yet the US (and Canada?) are still +1. The real answer is that it’s way too much work to change now for essentially no benefit, so it will probably continue indefinitely unless a new system supplants the current internet.

That's silly; registering new domain names and putting redirects in place is much simpler than changing a freakin' country code.

Why is the change needed?

Re: Government URLs that don't end in .gov

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Here’s the reasonable argument: US citizens are now used to .gov domain names being solely used by US government entities. They won’t change it, nor should they, as forcing domain name changes will simply add confusion for Americans. Just because you don’t like that the US government has first mover advantage isn’t a good reason to change this.

I don't really think this is much of an issue. It's not like the change would happen immediately. Each .gov website is likely run by different agencies, so they wouldn't end up switching all at the same time. It's a pretty simple matter to register a corresponding .gov.us domain for each existing .gov domain. Then each .gov domain owner would have to configure their web server properly, and can phase in a redirect fr…

Sunsetting a TLD to prove a point sounds really silly.

Re: Government URLs that don't end in .gov

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That was introduced in 1985, almost 40 years ago. For how many decades is this going to be a reasonable argument? In 100 years, will it still be reasonable for the USA to say "we built the thing, so it is appropriate for us to continue to be the default country in domain names. The rest of you must use your ccTLDs, but we remain special." In 200 years? The only non-pathetic option is for the United States to transiti…

Here’s the reasonable argument: US citizens are now used to .gov domain names being solely used by US government entities. They won’t change it, nor should they, as forcing domain name changes will simply add confusion for Americans. Just because you don’t like that the US government has first mover advantage isn’t a good reason to change this.

Until a country decides to use its own dns root. Then another. Then another.

Re: Government URLs that don't end in .gov

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I would hope that random "non-government related non-profits" aren't using .gov domains. Isn't the whole point of the domain that it's just for government entities?

even usps.gov just redirects to usps.com which I feel is a bit of a loss. Lots of small towns have dot coms when they could have dot gov.

USPS is (since 1970) an Independent Agency rather than an agency of the executive branch. This was sort of a semi-privatization measure that isolates USPS from the federal government, USPS operates mostly as a government-owned independent corporation. There are a number of other independent agencies as well, they way they relate to .gov domains varies. I don't think there's a well-settled policy on whether independent agencies should use .gov domains. Amtrak doesn't, the CIA does, NCUA does, Federal Reserve mostly doesn't (except the board which is a federal agency). I think it depends mostly on brand identity and how much they want to be perceived as private sector vs. government agencies, since independent agencies often straddle a line between the two.

Re: Government URLs that don't end in .gov

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What says it has to be listed here?

https://search.gov/about/policy/govt-urls.html "Federal executive branch agencies must ensure their non-.gov or .mil domains are on the list." Also on this page, there is an "out of scope" list which only includes 4 things: SaaS, cloud resources, SNS sites, and code repos. I take the govt at its word--it has never lied before--so naturally covert ops must be "in-scope".

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Re: Government URLs that don't end in .gov

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post #147

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That's silly; registering new domain names and putting redirects in place is much simpler than changing a freakin' country code.

> That's silly; registering new domain names and putting redirects in place is much simpler than changing a freakin' country code. Cool, here's a $50,000 firm fixed contract for you to go fix all the hardcoded .gov references in every single federal website, knowing how many of them will fail to handle redirects gracefully.

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Re: Government URLs that don't end in .gov

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"turns out .gov is exclusively for the US, not sure I feel good about that, particularly as .com and .net are very much not just for the US. I get it, you invented the internet, but the special status you have over it is a little frustrating." I bet America having +1 as our country code bothers you too :P America numba 1! /S

Hate to break it to you, but Canada uses +1 as well[0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_Canada

That's because the Canadians haven't accepted the fact that their provinces are just new states waiting for annexation.

Re: Government URLs that don't end in .gov

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http://war-on-pineapple.com is purportedly owned by the Department of Homeland Security. It’s a dead link, unfortunately. What a curious domain! [0]: https://github.com/GSA/govt-urls/blob/main/2_govt_urls_feder...

The plot thickens. The former director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Agency apparently dislikes pineapple on pizza: https://twitter.com/CISAKrebs/status/1154462806311235584.
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