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Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by mrangle » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 4:09 PM UTC

mitt_romney_12 wrote: post #75

mrangle wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone doesn't get treated like shit. Most people respect and want cops. People whining about cops being mean to them, and their general dispositions, tends to think that their police interaction is a super special customer service experience and that the system is faulty when it falls short of their expectations. The reality is that cops deal with the worst of society multiple times per day, even if you don't repr…

> Most people respect and want cops 89% of Americans think that changes need to made to make policing better and 50% of Americans think that major changes need to be made [1]. > People whining about cops being mean to them, and their general dispositions, tends to think that their police interaction is a super special customer service experience and that the system is faulty when it falls short of their expectations.…

Garbage poll. It utilized questions that close to zero Americans would disagree with, in that the policies in question aren't controversial and are already enforced. Ignoring the intentionally murky language of the third question. And ignoring the fact that their methods can't be critiqued given America's current rock solid trust in polling.

See the first three:

Require officers to have good relations with the community

Change management practices, so officer abuses are punished

Change management practices, so officers with multiple incidents of abuse of power are not allowed to serve

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by idiotsecant » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 4:09 PM UTC

lordfrito wrote: post #82

manuelabeledo wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So much so that Hate Crimes and Safe Spaces are now a thing. People have lost jobs due to Cancel Culture fueled hate-mobs. It is not "cancel culture", just good old fashioned "consequences".

Ahhh the old "consequences" argument. I can't tell when it's "cancel culture" or "consequences" anymore. Word seems interchangeable nowadays in the media. Seems like when it happens to the in-group it's called cancel culture , but when it's experienced by the out-group it's just shrugged away as consequences . The point I'm making is I'm tired of this kind of separation of people into groups. Bad behavior leading to…

>Word seems interchangeable nowadays

You're so close to understanding.

This has always happened. When you have opinions people find objectionable it tends to make you less popular with those people. For some reason a few years ago we decided that if these ideas are coming from a particular group it's now a special thing deserving of a new term.

It's a dumb term. If you want to have soft power you need to not say all your vile opinions out loud, that's how the human animal has worked for millions of years.

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by watwut » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 4:10 PM UTC

dcow wrote: post #125

mitt_romney_12 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A gun isn't going to protect you from police violence, it's just going to give them a reason to become even more militarized and an excuse after they shoot you

You might be surprised how much a group of armed citizens can do against a police squad. I don't think “you’ll never protect yourself from the gov’t” is an accurate angle.

They can't do nothing and if they try, they will go to prison forever.

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by giraffe_lady » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 4:11 PM UTC

moretrashplz wrote: post #101

whoknew1122 wrote: post #4

> "Many states have passed hate-speech laws that protect the police from verbal or symbolic abuse, such as stomping on a “Back the Blue” sign while “smirking in an intimidating manner” (the crime for which a woman in Utah was prosecuted)." Wow... this is just... The police have a monopoly on the legalized use of violence. Police carry at minimum one deadly weapon (a handgun), but usually have multiple so-called less-…

And yet people still want to eliminate the right for private citizens to carry semi-automatic firearms! Generally, it's the the same people complaining that complain about police abusing their powers and vulnerable groups of people.

And in the most egregious cases of police violence, the people who value their right to own & carry weapons are a strong base of police support.

There is actually nothing contradictory about either set of positions though. Guns don't protect you from cops. Guns are power and violence, and who we consider to have rightful access to it. So are police.

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by otikik » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 4:11 PM UTC

b112 wrote: post #13

whoknew1122 wrote: post #4

> "Many states have passed hate-speech laws that protect the police from verbal or symbolic abuse, such as stomping on a “Back the Blue” sign while “smirking in an intimidating manner” (the crime for which a woman in Utah was prosecuted)." Wow... this is just... The police have a monopoly on the legalized use of violence. Police carry at minimum one deadly weapon (a handgun), but usually have multiple so-called less-…

And yet it wasn't a smirk, now was it? It was a smirk and other things. Right or wrong, call it what it is. Don't drop info off the event, and focus on one part of it. And if someone has a right not to be harassed, when doing their job in an office, why doesn't a cop, when doing their job on the street? Note, I said "doing their job", not "doing it wrong". For damned sure there are bad cops. But by god, there are a l…

> dealing with people at their absolute worst, taking crap you or I wouldn't be able to handle for 5 minutes.

For sure there's bad people, but most people are good. Those people that give cops crap are just some bad apples.

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by Atreiden » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 4:11 PM UTC

dcow wrote: post #111

whoknew1122 wrote: post #4

> "Many states have passed hate-speech laws that protect the police from verbal or symbolic abuse, such as stomping on a “Back the Blue” sign while “smirking in an intimidating manner” (the crime for which a woman in Utah was prosecuted)." Wow... this is just... The police have a monopoly on the legalized use of violence. Police carry at minimum one deadly weapon (a handgun), but usually have multiple so-called less-…

I mean, they’re just emulating the zeitgeist. This is what happens when the prevailing worldview is inconsistent and hypocritical. We’ve normalized the idea that words and subtle actions can be micro-aggressive and thus are violent. That’s literally the logic these days and instead of fighting it most people happily jumped onboard entertaining idiotic rhetoric in the name of social justice. So I’m not surprised at al…

Are you really trying to suggest that police brutality is caused by cancel culture? That the natural consequences of attempting to address problematic language include the rampant murder of minorities by members of law enforcement?

> You don't get to cancel others for their word-violence and then turn around and complain when your peers try to put a stop yours. Time to grow up.

Hoo boy. This shouldn't need to be said, but there is absolutely no equivalence whatsoever between an individuals right to refuse to associate with "Stop the Steal" people, and LEOs being entitled to murder whoever they feel like without repercussion.

Is this sarcasm? The mental gymnastics here are so insane I have to question your sincerity in posting this.

> words and subtle actions can be micro-aggressive and thus are violent

This is not what the term microaggression means. Microagressions do not imply violence.

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by ceejayoz » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 4:11 PM UTC

dcow wrote: post #125

mitt_romney_12 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A gun isn't going to protect you from police violence, it's just going to give them a reason to become even more militarized and an excuse after they shoot you

You might be surprised how much a group of armed citizens can do against a police squad. I don't think “you’ll never protect yourself from the gov’t” is an accurate angle.

Temporarily.

In the long run? Nah. Eventually the APCs roll in.

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by dspillett » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 4:12 PM UTC

mrangle wrote: post #39

annoyingnoob wrote: post #27

Police officers are citizens just like everyone else. No one has any expectation of privacy while operating in public. The police are just asking for more people to dislike them. How do you treat everyone like shit, try to take away our rights, and then expect everyone to respect you? Respect is a two-way street.

Everyone doesn't get treated like shit. Most people respect and want cops. People whining about cops being mean to them, and their general dispositions, tends to think that their police interaction is a super special customer service experience and that the system is faulty when it falls short of their expectations. The reality is that cops deal with the worst of society multiple times per day, even if you don't repr…

> Everyone doesn't get treated like shit.

But enough people do, by the police, that wanting to be able to hold the police accountable for their actions by recording them seems a reasonable position IMO.

If they have nothing to hide they have nothing to fear, right?

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by mrangle » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 4:12 PM UTC

PawgerZ wrote: post #67

mrangle wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone doesn't get treated like shit. Most people respect and want cops. People whining about cops being mean to them, and their general dispositions, tends to think that their police interaction is a super special customer service experience and that the system is faulty when it falls short of their expectations. The reality is that cops deal with the worst of society multiple times per day, even if you don't repr…

>The summary take is to move to a very rural area if you need to feel relatively better respected by cops. As someone who has lived and worked in many rural areas, this advice doesn't work if you're a minority.

"Doesn't work" is nonsense language that arises from a clinically neurotic view of reality, which is in response to my patronizing (if practical) response to a clinically neurotic view of urban life.

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by moretrashplz » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 4:13 PM UTC

idiotsecant wrote: post #141

moretrashplz wrote: post #89

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"Governments everywhere are more conservative than ever" - do you have any sources / citations to back this up? "There is literally no legal force behind any woke policies" - Politicians in Michigan have been attempting to pass a law to make harassing someone by misgendering them a felony. There are plenty of laws and policies protecting groups of people that have nothing to do with "structural racist shit". If you'r…

Your only example is a law that is not currently a law? People propose crazy laws all the time. They get used by politicians to get attention and by media outlets to drive clicks from their outrage pornography addicted audience. In both cases it's all sound and fury, signifying nothing.

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