The illusion of AI’s existential risk • Hacker News Board

Re: The illusion of AI’s existential risk

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Post by cristiancavalli » Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 3:23 PM UTC

mptest wrote: post #115

cristiancavalli wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

hysterics. Remember when he said we should stop training radiologists, that’s aged pretty poorly given there’s actually a need to have more: https://www.rsna.org/news/2022/may/global-radiologist-shorta... https://mindmatters.ai/2022/08/turns-out-computers-are-not-v...

So because he made one(+) bad prediction, all future predictions are inherently poor? It seems that may be a tad of a leap? Where is the line between "poor prediction" and "hysterics"? "Deep learning will replace radiologists within 5 years" isn't as inherently crazy as it probably seems in hindsight. Sure, it didn't pan out, but I know a vet who works for an Ai company classifying scans for training and he says firs…

When the prediction is so bombastic as to prescribe a near future without doubt and be completely wrong then yes, that would be hysterics in my book.

Re: The illusion of AI’s existential risk

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Post by dredmorbius » Mon, Jul 24, 2023, 7:07 AM UTC

qznc wrote: post #67

theragra wrote: post #55

Arguments in the first part are really bad. I haven't read about ai safety that much, but still see it. For example, ASI may be able to automate manufacturing really quickly, maybe be able to convince humans easily to do what it needs, etc Moreover, why ai would not be competing with us for resources? Materials on earth are finite. Also, most likely scenario is not evil AGI, as it outlined in the article, but indiffe…

Is there a difference between evil and indifferent if you are on the receiving end? Humanity is largely indifferent to animal welfare and animals would qualify it as evil how we treat them.

OT: I just wanted to very belatedly thank you for this brilliant Walter Benjamin quote: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23388285>

Re: The illusion of AI’s existential risk

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Post by ke88y » Mon, Jul 24, 2023, 7:07 PM UTC

janalsncm wrote: post #7

I don’t understand why economic disruption and human obsolescence isn’t considered an existential risk. We could end up in a world where 99.99% of people are redundant and useless cost centers for our GDP maximizing economic paradigm. In that case, you don’t need killer robots in order to push humanity towards near-extinction. The invisible hand will smite them. But don’t worry, TED Talk attendee. The obsoletariat mo…

Maybe this is why billionaires and hundred-millionaires are the ones so concerned about existential risk. A collapse of consensus in our current and historically not-that-old system of property rights is an existential risk -- to them.

Re: The illusion of AI’s existential risk

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Post by CatWChainsaw » Wed, Jul 26, 2023, 12:32 PM UTC

sdwr wrote: post #63

jiggawatts wrote: post #34

I’m just re-reading Blindsight by Peter Watts, a novel that is amazingly prescient in — amongst other things — its predictions of this coming economic upheaval. Speaking of… one scene in the book has humans communicating with an alien that appears to have “learned” human speech by training a non-sentient LLM on human ship-to-ship transmissions, and then “fine tuned” it to achieve the desired communication goal withou…

Beautiful! Or at least beautifully prescient. I'm starting to think storytellers are smarter than they let on.

Yes, but we don't heed the warnings their stories foretell, because it's just science fiction, and obviously if it happened in a fictional book it could never happen IRL.