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Re: We Need to Talk About Android

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Post by marquis »

te0x wrote: post #79
marquis wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does this apply to their small phones? Perhaps it is because of reading HN that I am of the perception that only the larger more feature-full phones are maintained well (or perhaps just that my friends who have bought these just got the big version, having large male rucksacks). The Nexus that I am aware of doesn't fit in my purse.

I can't even think of a good Android phone out on the market today that anyone would consider small. These days decent Androids generally range from 4.3'' screens to the 5.3'' found on the Galaxy Note.

Right, so that effectively keeps me out of the good-phone market. It really is a shame that they can't make a smaller phone (iPhone size is ok but smaller would be better). I'd be a customer for life.

Re: We Need to Talk About Android

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Post by gbaygon »

redacted wrote: post #137
gbaygon wrote: post #8

> where are the apps to challenge iMovie, GarageBand, Keynote, OmniFocus About GarageBand, there is a known problem with sound latency in android that prevents real time audio apps to be developed and it doesn't seem to be fixed in ICS. This stops developers from writing musical apps that could compete with those available on iPhone or iPad. iOS latency is around 6ms, in android devices it varies between 100ms and 40…

I believe this is the bug report in question http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=3434 Note that this issue has been open for more than 2.5 years

Yes, that's the bug. I have tried to use NDK with OpenSL and it doesn't get any better. I wonder why google doesn't fix this, hardware limitations?

Re: We Need to Talk About Android

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Post by runako »

ktizo wrote: post #149
runako wrote: post #148

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I get it. Rewriting your prior post for accuracy: How does having technology deployed to a school help educate people at all, regardless of things like platform fragmentation? :-)

No, cos then they wouldn't be allowed to teach writing, which is quite a fundamental technology for education. Is just that I view issuing smartphones or consumer tablets in a classroom to be about as useful and productive as issuing games consoles.

Why do you need technology to teach writing? Many of us learned writing when the only electricity in the classroom powered the lights.

Educational Luddism shouldn't favor subjects.

Re: We Need to Talk About Android

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Post by cmsj »

nirvdrum wrote: post #25
elithrar wrote: post #12

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> Circa 2002 they had '95, 98, ME, and XP spread across over half a billion units. With further varied patch configurations and service packs. It's worth pointing out that this comparison isn't the same. You could, in 2002, run the latest version of Office on all of their operating systems. With Android, there are situations where even Google's own software (see Chrome on Android) only runs on the absolute latest ver…

To be fair, when iMovie launched (an Apple app) it only worked on the brand new iPhone 4. If you had a 3GS (i.e., hadn't upgraded yet), you were out of luck. It didn't matter that you had the latest iOS. You didn't have the latest hardware so you couldn't run it, although oddly you accidentally buy it through the app store.

The 4 was 50% of iPhones after a year or so :)

Re: We Need to Talk About Android

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Post by cmsj »

qxcv wrote: post #92

There seems to be a lot of discussion here about Android v. iOS, but I feel like people are neglecting to discuss a key part of the article: > what's wrong with Android from the perspective of someone planning a long-term 1:1 deployment in a school There's nothing wrong with Android. The problem is that you're trying to throw expensive toys at school students in the hope that you'll win the award for "Digital Curricu…

Photoshop has a tablet app. iWork is on tablets. iMovie and avid are on tablets. You could make a CNC controller if you wanted to

Re: We Need to Talk About Android

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Post by ktizo »

runako wrote: post #153
ktizo wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, cos then they wouldn't be allowed to teach writing, which is quite a fundamental technology for education. Is just that I view issuing smartphones or consumer tablets in a classroom to be about as useful and productive as issuing games consoles.

Why do you need technology to teach writing? Many of us learned writing when the only electricity in the classroom powered the lights. Educational Luddism shouldn't favor subjects.

Writing is a technology.

Re: We Need to Talk About Android

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Post by betterth »

usaar333 wrote: post #145
betterth wrote: post #112

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But that's not $380 that has anything to do with Apple or Android. That's like saying your new LG TV is $400 dollars cheaper than your last Samsung TV, because you -also- switched your Comcast plan to pay less monthly. That's not a fair comparison.

Again, that's why I prefer comparing unsubsidized costs. My Hero may have been hundreds cheaper but perhaps some of that cheapness was from being on an inferior carrier.

Still not a fair comparison. I guess the only truly fair comparison would be a Total Cost of Ownership, but those can be difficult to accurately determine. Specifically how much you might lose for uninsured breakage, etc.

Re: We Need to Talk About Android

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Post by betterth »

betterth wrote: post #111
shingen wrote: post #3

The endless parade of fragmentation discussions regarding Android all prove one thing: a lot of people don't understand what wins a market. Customers lacking in technological savvy make up the radical majority of Android owners, they are never going to care about this issue so long as their smart phone functions at 85% good enough. 85% good enough, is more than enough to win a market if you have substantial other adv…

Android will continue to dominate? You mean, it will continue to win most activations so long as it lets any budget device count? Because what other metric is Android winning? Apple captures the lionshare of the entire industry's profits. HTC and Moto are barely breaking even on Android devices. Google can't even get users past 2.3, no one is using 4.0, and they're already on track to have 5.0 out in what, three mont…

Downvote and don't reply all y'all want.

Using activations as a metric is bad.

"India is dominating America because they have far more human activations (births) than America!"

There's a good analogy as to why 'activations' do not tell a complete story.

Please reply with what other metrics people use when saying that Android "dominates". I'd honestly love to know. Otherwise, it's nothing more than a mirror of rose-tinted Apple fanboys, it's Android fanboyism.

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