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Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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I would bet the majority of Mac minis sold are used as ci/cd servers for iOS and Mac development. I would also bet the Mac mini is the third lowest selling Mac with the Mac ultra and Mac Pro being the least.

I strongly suspect the iMac sells less than the Mac mini.

An iMac is easier to setup though and seem to be more aligned with Apple’s main market - people who want a computer with as little fuss as possible.

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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I call BS on them being not good market fit, Apple does totally fine with mac mini. also these are just laptops w/o screen and battery. IMO the real reason may be worries around minipcs finally getting good enough that they may cannibalize higher margin PC market. BTW there are other vendors like Beelink that make semi decent tiny computers and I have one of those as my teenage kids pc,works just fine.

I would bet the majority of Mac minis sold are used as ci/cd servers for iOS and Mac development. I would also bet the Mac mini is the third lowest selling Mac with the Mac ultra and Mac Pro being the least.

I do my day-to-day work on a Mac mini, people are losing out if they're only using them for testing purposes. They're not terribly expensive (when compared to other Apple products), really good form and volume factor, i.e. a Mini can do a lot of stuff even though is, well, not that big, plus a Mini doesn't consume all that much power, to the contrary.

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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Of all the NUCs they ever made; there is one singular model with 10G ethernet. And yeah good luck getting it. The lack of any significant IO to the outside world crippled these things massively. I tried to order 3 NUCs once; after waiting 6 months for stock, I gave up. Seems nothing will actually be lost. Anybody make ANYTHING that is nuc-like and has 10G+? HP Elitedesk 800 mini has a flexio option for a single 10g p…

10G Ethernet is just not a great standard, and a terrible fit for something like a NUC at 5W of waste heat in just that one port. Lots of SFP and 2.5G around, though.

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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I call BS on them being not good market fit, Apple does totally fine with mac mini. also these are just laptops w/o screen and battery. IMO the real reason may be worries around minipcs finally getting good enough that they may cannibalize higher margin PC market. BTW there are other vendors like Beelink that make semi decent tiny computers and I have one of those as my teenage kids pc,works just fine.

Do we need Intel to release these, or can they just sell the chips to integrators like they do with other desktops and laptops?

I wish they had stayed out. People are talking about how they started this great market segment but mini-ITX was a real standard motherboard size started by VIA and thin mini-ITX would be more popular if Intel didn't just make whatever they wanted and set a precedent of consumer trash instead of components for this size class.

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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I want to like these, but they hit the opposite of a sweet spot (sour spot? sore spot?): More expensive than a laptop (which also have a screen, keyboard, touchpad, speakers, etc.) and much larger than a dongle. The true "next unit of computing" now would be something like a Chromebox the size of a Chromecast.

The AMD models from MinisForum, BeeLink etc have been pretty competitively priced.

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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I call BS on them being not good market fit, Apple does totally fine with mac mini. also these are just laptops w/o screen and battery. IMO the real reason may be worries around minipcs finally getting good enough that they may cannibalize higher margin PC market. BTW there are other vendors like Beelink that make semi decent tiny computers and I have one of those as my teenage kids pc,works just fine.

I don't think it's the form factor, I think it's more about competing with their own customers. There are similar offerings (including AMD based) from several other vendors. I've been far more interested in the AMD based ones the past few gen... currently using a MiniForum model with a 5900HX for home server duties.

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Mac Mini is a totally different market: it 1) runs macOS 2) has Apple Silicon 3) has no competitors for running macOS 4) is the cheapest entry point into iOS development which is a high paying job

In the US, maybe. Android rules the rest of the world and Europe, Japan and China.

Definitely does not rule so absolutely that you can ignore iOS development. In Western Europe my anecdata is that iPhone is winning with high frequency users.

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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I call BS on them being not good market fit, Apple does totally fine with mac mini. also these are just laptops w/o screen and battery. IMO the real reason may be worries around minipcs finally getting good enough that they may cannibalize higher margin PC market. BTW there are other vendors like Beelink that make semi decent tiny computers and I have one of those as my teenage kids pc,works just fine.

How is the beelink? I'm really tempted by the price and what you get. But I've never bought anything that wasn't a well known brand like Dell.

Will vary from model to model.. most have been pretty good.

ETA Prime and ServeTheHome do regular reviews of these on YouTube.

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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In theory I liked these things. ...but in practice I never got one, because they were always so expensive. The same hardware can be found in a laptop for much less.

Totally. Eventually got a used one for a Roon server for like $200 on eBay. Music on a USB stick. Works like a charm.

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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I wish Intel or someone would get into the enthusiast firewall market. Very High GHZ 2 to 4 core CPU, 2 to 4 NICs, x86, <$250, 1-8GB soldered RAM, Simple M2, very basic video out, would be very popular for home firewalls and maybe even businesses with a decent IT department/person as a Firewall/VPN appliance.

There are loads on aliexpress. 2.5gbe and powerful enough to virtualize a firewall and run a couple other light VMs.
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