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Re: Escaping High School

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Post by asciimov »

jabroni_salad wrote: post #85

Something that bugs me today is the way music education was handled at my school, and probably other schools. I got to a pretty good technical competence with my trumpet but at the end of the day I could only play what was on the sheets. Maybe some of that is my bad, but I switched to keys after highschool and when I show up to jam, most wind players seem like musical cripples without a lead sheet, and my fakesheets…

The problem is time. Getting 140+ people to learn their instruments is hard enough, mixing in Music theory is just gonna add to the frustration, for which most of the band will never need to know.

That even holds true for everything but the smallest of jazz combos. Could you imagine listening to a group of 20 musicians all playing from Fake Books? It would be a mess of noise.

Re: Escaping High School

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Post by costanzaDynasty »

dmvdoug wrote: post #144

> Maybe you go to a school in a poor area, or with a lot of violence, or far too many students for the teachers to pay any individual attention to; or, relatedly, maybe you’re required to spend a lot of time caring for siblings or parents, working a low-skill job, or holding your family together or preserving your safety in some way. The disadvantages of this case are obvious, but there are a few advantages too; the…

My life only got better after I quit school at 15. At the end, I had so much outside distraction, that I couldn't put up the front at school anymore. I just needed sometime free from chaos.

Re: Escaping High School

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Post by squarepizza »

tristor wrote: post #76

Interestingly, the advice in this article pretty much aligns with what I did, although I can't claim I did what I did with any grand strategic vision. I mostly blew off high school doing the bare minimum necessary to graduate, while spending as much time as possible in-person and online with adults who worked in tech and would mentor me, working on side projects, and volunteering on open source. I went to college, bu…

> while spending as much time as possible in-person and online with adults who worked in tech and would mentor me, working on side projects

Sounds like quite a privilege.

Re: Escaping High School

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Post by commandlinefan »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #83
ye-olde-sysrq wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also kind of dangerous though, there's a reason these people need to be certified. Dealing with a 5V breadboard? Yeah I'm game. Disassembling the housing of something to figure out which part needs to be greased or came loose? Yeah sure. My computer science training has prepared me to think outside the box and solve novel problems. But if it's got 240V mains going through it, I'm not going to touch it. I like ho…

This specific repair scenario is not dangerous. It is such a common failure with a cheap fix that it’s simply worth killing the circuit, unplugging the old one, plugging in a new one, turning the power back on, and seeing if it works. Worst case scenario, you have a new capacitor. Best case scenario, you save hundreds of dollars. Here’s a video. You can even skip all the diagnostic tests, as all you care about is rep…

> This specific repair scenario is not dangerous

I believe you, but I also know I'm not qualified to examine whether or not the repair in question is the non-dangerous one you're describing or the lethal one that looks pretty similar. I have all kinds of respect for you for being able to fix your own stuff, but even if I think I know what I'm doing, I'm still going to pay somebody who definitely knows what he's doing to do it for me.

Re: Escaping High School

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Post by booleandilemma »

jb1991 wrote: post #120

> And by the time you’re in your mid-teens, you’re probably as smart as you’re going to be – not as worldly or wise as you will be later, but the raw brainpower is mostly there. I strongly disagree with this. I don't know if it is genuinely true in a biological sense, but in my life experience it is not even close to true. There are lots of things I do that are so far beyond my abilities as a teenager. It could be du…

Yeah my teenage self was an idiot, there's no nice way to put it.

Re: Escaping High School

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Post by recursive »

asciimov wrote: post #151
jabroni_salad wrote: post #85

Something that bugs me today is the way music education was handled at my school, and probably other schools. I got to a pretty good technical competence with my trumpet but at the end of the day I could only play what was on the sheets. Maybe some of that is my bad, but I switched to keys after highschool and when I show up to jam, most wind players seem like musical cripples without a lead sheet, and my fakesheets…

The problem is time. Getting 140+ people to learn their instruments is hard enough, mixing in Music theory is just gonna add to the frustration, for which most of the band will never need to know. That even holds true for everything but the smallest of jazz combos. Could you imagine listening to a group of 20 musicians all playing from Fake Books? It would be a mess of noise.

> for which most of the band will never need to know.

What do you mean by "need"? I think, for the purpose of playing music, music theory is more useful than reading. But no one really needs to do music in the first place. It's recreation and fun and expression.

20 musicians can work together. They'd need to know how to listen and make space.

https://youtu.be/_5drnz5B-c4?t=61

Re: Escaping High School

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Post by doubled112 »

titanomachy wrote: post #135
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #11

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As I read the parent's point, I think he is advocating for kids seeing their parents work more often. As it is, kids in US don't experience the reality often. More than that, parents shield them from the reality as long as it is possible, because the reality mostly sucks. I would think of it as 'take your kids to work', but more often. I am not a big fan. I was coming to my dad's car shop after school and I can't hon…

Works pretty well if you're a landscaper or something. What if you have some soul-crushing dead-end office job? How long do you think a 6-year-old would last in an airline customer support call center?

That teaches the 6-year-old something too.

Re: Escaping High School

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Post by pessimizer »

dmvdoug wrote: post #144

> Maybe you go to a school in a poor area, or with a lot of violence, or far too many students for the teachers to pay any individual attention to; or, relatedly, maybe you’re required to spend a lot of time caring for siblings or parents, working a low-skill job, or holding your family together or preserving your safety in some way. The disadvantages of this case are obvious, but there are a few advantages too; the…

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Re: Escaping High School

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

stubybubs wrote: post #146
strivax wrote: post #132

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AFAIK the human brain matures around mid to late twenties, so you'd probably be right about this from a biological sense too

I think the neuroscience here has really gone through the pop-sci wringer. The original research was specifically about impulse control and not anything else. I think there has been some more evidence about pattern recognition etc recently. It's always struck me as funny when people say 25 is when you're fully mature. After this point, you start to experience declines in ability. It's not maturity; it's the moment yo…

While you make a good point that the mid-twenties maturity is in terms of impulse control, that's kind of a defining trait for getting a scheme like this to effectively work.

Re: Escaping High School

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Post by Nasrudith »

benji-york wrote: post #124
dfxm12 wrote: post #18

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Would that not utterly stratify social classes? Yes. This is one of the outcomes the anti-school crowd is after.

Is there a name for this tactic of projecting motivations on others in order to explain their behaviors?

Theory of mind.
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