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Cory Doctorow: Platform Capitalism and the Curse of “Enshittification” [audio]

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They get also other features like longer tweets and editing.

Far, far more than that, now. The ability to organize your own feed via Tweetdeck is also being limited to blue checks, as well as security options like MFA.

The fact that a basic security feature is behind a paywall boggles the mind.

Re: Cory Doctorow: Platform Capitalism and the Curse of “Enshittification” [audio]

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Isn't this just a function of a lot of these business models don't actually work?

Ie a lot of these are the equivalent of giving away free ( investor funded ) banana fritters, getting decent uptake and using it to declare that the market in banana fritters is huge, but when you start to charge for them it turns our the market is quite small.

Another way the business models don't work is the companies start off assuming no costs around policing - like a shop with no security whatsoever. Works fine for a while, but as it grows and people realise it's got no security they start to get targeted, and costs go up.

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A perfect example with the recent changes at Twitter: > Most Twitter users barely tweet and don't care about followers - a "heavy user" tweets on average less than three times a week. So if someone is posting regularly enough to be willing to pay $8 a month for a blue tick, but has not built up a sizeable following organically, this is a very strong signal that the posts they are producing are no good. > It is exactl…

Actually it is the algo. Twitter often doesn't bother showing the tweets of NPCs (with fewer than a few thousand followers) no matter how good they are.

But I think you have to be quite naive to believe that a New Blue Tick™ will game that.

Re: Cory Doctorow: Platform Capitalism and the Curse of “Enshittification” [audio]

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The internet is so lame and boring now days, its become so predictable and routine. I remember the internet back in the 90s and 00s, it was a completely different place, it felt massive and mysterious like each door you opened led to a another universe with all kinds of stuff going on, discussions on any topic you could fathom were taking place 24/7 all the time. Now we have discord servers with hundreds of users but…

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Re: Cory Doctorow: Platform Capitalism and the Curse of “Enshittification” [audio]

#155

Airline travel has certainly become a lot shittier since I first began flying in the 1970s. In fact, it used to be comfortable, cool, fun, and glamorous, and the stewardesses used to be beautiful and polite.

Adjusted for inflation - flights are 15% cheaper today.

The largest input in a flight is fuel - and that's 3x more expensive today, adjusted for inflation.

Also, the taxes on flights are much higher today.

It's not a surprise you could offer a much better product for 15% more money, significantly less taxes, and ~45% of your cost being 3x cheaper.

Re: Cory Doctorow: Platform Capitalism and the Curse of “Enshittification” [audio]

#156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They get also other features like longer tweets and editing.

Far, far more than that, now. The ability to organize your own feed via Tweetdeck is also being limited to blue checks, as well as security options like MFA.

>as well as security options like MFA.

Incredible. I had to see it for myself.

https://help.twitter.com/en/managing-your-account/two-factor...

Maybe that's only for text messages, and you can still use totp?

Re: Cory Doctorow: Platform Capitalism and the Curse of “Enshittification” [audio]

#157

Isn't this just a function of a lot of these business models don't actually work? Ie a lot of these are the equivalent of giving away free ( investor funded ) banana fritters, getting decent uptake and using it to declare that the market in banana fritters is huge, but when you start to charge for them it turns our the market is quite small. Another way the business models don't work is the companies start off assumi…

We have an evil cabal of enshitification enforcers in the form of the entire advertising and marketing industry. They enforce the group think impressed on society, and will not put any energy into anything not following the current zeitgeist of shitty exploitation and only the legally required (reluctant) fair treatment of their consumer and their employees. Our society voices, both journalism and advertising/marketing, are owned by the Orwellian Capitalists and only what they allow get through... which is a declining human society.

Re: Cory Doctorow: Platform Capitalism and the Curse of “Enshittification” [audio]

#158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Far, far more than that, now. The ability to organize your own feed via Tweetdeck is also being limited to blue checks, as well as security options like MFA.

The fact that a basic security feature is behind a paywall boggles the mind.

It's only for SMS 2FA, which was phased out because of valid security concerns.

Other forms of 2FA are still available to everyone.

Re: Cory Doctorow: Platform Capitalism and the Curse of “Enshittification” [audio]

#159

A perfect example with the recent changes at Twitter: > Most Twitter users barely tweet and don't care about followers - a "heavy user" tweets on average less than three times a week. So if someone is posting regularly enough to be willing to pay $8 a month for a blue tick, but has not built up a sizeable following organically, this is a very strong signal that the posts they are producing are no good. > It is exactl…

I'm still amazed they went with the $8-for-attention model. Everyone _already knows_ this doesn't work well; the dating site industry has been trying to make it work for literally decades. It's also kind of a Pandora's box; even if they removed the attention boost, the taint is already there, and people will be suspicious of bluetick replies forever.

The smart thing to do isn't to remove it; They should charge for adversarial features.

Pay your fee, you get not only an attention boost, but the ability to un-boost blues. If the net result is 0, the Nash Equilibrium is that everybody pays.

Look how many people "#BlockTheBlue" on twitter right now. Just charge them to make it easy. The real value in someone who's willing to pay to be seen isn't in their 8$ subscription, it's in the 100 other people they incentivize to pay you to shut them up.

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I've been thinking about how enshittification, venture capital, shareholders and the life cycle of a company are in some ways related. Any company that has external investors is bound to go through this cycle of - building a great product - taking in external funding money - growing and then either being acquired or going public (or more commonly shutting down) - then all the head scratching decision making starts It…

15 years ago I bought a ride-on lawn mower that gave me 12 years of service, but was getting a bit long in the tooth. I decided to buy the next model up from the same company, not knowing in the mean time it had been bought by a PE company and the quality had gone to shit. The mower is bigger, but the engine is smaller and they are notorious for blowing a head gasket any time the mowing blades stall out. I was thinki…

Which company is this? I’ve heard this referred to as “reputation mining”.

You buy a company with a good reputation, cut quality drastically, and profit for the decade or so it takes until everyone realizes the brand sucks now.

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