Are one million people in the UK using anabolic steroids? (2022) • Hacker News Board

Re: Are one million people in the UK using anabolic steroids? (2022)

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 5:37 PM UTC

anigbrowl wrote: post #148

dang wrote: post #146

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In that case it needed more information to disambiguate from flamebait. Especially since the account has a history thereof.

Have you considered the possibility that many people posting in this thread are sufficiently interested in physical culture to already know about this point of view? Anyone who reads weightlifting forums where steroids are likely to be discussed already encounters this idea on a daily basis. I get that it's a new concept for you, but your assumption was misplaced.

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Re: Are one million people in the UK using anabolic steroids? (2022)

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Post by satysin » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 6:11 PM UTC

mmh0000 wrote: post #149

satysin wrote: post #136

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You're not wrong and my wife certainly shares your opinion too! I am naturally a bit of a worrier about "big" medication regimes like TRT and I over research and over think everything which is obviously not a great thing when it comes to medicine as everything has side effects. I am slowly starting to adjust my mindset with regards to trying TRT but I need to see what my results are to help me make a decision.

It is a decision, but, I wouldn't say it's a "big" one. It is possible to come off TRT, though it's a long ramp-down period. The TRT itself isn't really a hassle, I just poke myself in the butt twice a week. I've worked it into my morning routine: shave, shower, teeth, poke. I was like you before I started TRT, super hesitant, and worried I would just be poisoning myself. A good friend of mine kept pushing me to try,…

My level came back at 305 so they won’t offer any treatment.

Re: Are one million people in the UK using anabolic steroids? (2022)

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Post by mmh0000 » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 7:36 PM UTC

satysin wrote: post #152

mmh0000 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a decision, but, I wouldn't say it's a "big" one. It is possible to come off TRT, though it's a long ramp-down period. The TRT itself isn't really a hassle, I just poke myself in the butt twice a week. I've worked it into my morning routine: shave, shower, teeth, poke. I was like you before I started TRT, super hesitant, and worried I would just be poisoning myself. A good friend of mine kept pushing me to try,…

My level came back at 305 so they won’t offer any treatment.

That's still quite low. As I mentioned in a previous comment, my family doctor wouldn't persribe TRT even though I was outside of the "normal" range. I ended up having to go to a "mens health clinic", who are much more liberal with handing out prescriptions.

Re: Are one million people in the UK using anabolic steroids? (2022)

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Post by zoklet-enjoyer » Wed, Jul 05, 2023, 6:23 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #146

anigbrowl wrote: post #141

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It's not flamebait. This perspective is widespread and discussed with nuance in the fitness community, and also in the medical community, eg https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37285414/ It's in no way a controversial or baity observation.

In that case it needed more information to disambiguate from flamebait. Especially since the account has a history thereof.

I didn't intend the comment to be taken that way. Also not sure what other comment I made that was considered flamebait. Maybe I missed that being called out or just forgot. Anyway, steroid use is gender affirming care. They're taken by men who perceive themselves as what society has generally considered a man and they want to emphasize those characteristics. I think it's interesting all the discussion lately of gender affirming care but barely see any discussion on cis/heterosexual people taking hormones and undergoing cosmetic procedures to emphasize those gendered physical characteristics.

I think there are 4 groups of people who take hormones.

1. Those who take them for competitive advantage in sports

2. Those who take them because a doctor has told them that their body is producing less than it should be

3. Those who take them because they want the physical attributes that goes along with it because of how they identify

4. Biohackers

All of those reasons are valid

Re: Are one million people in the UK using anabolic steroids? (2022)

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Post by dang » Wed, Jul 05, 2023, 6:28 PM UTC

zoklet-enjoyer wrote: post #154

dang wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In that case it needed more information to disambiguate from flamebait. Especially since the account has a history thereof.

I didn't intend the comment to be taken that way. Also not sure what other comment I made that was considered flamebait. Maybe I missed that being called out or just forgot. Anyway, steroid use is gender affirming care. They're taken by men who perceive themselves as what society has generally considered a man and they want to emphasize those characteristics. I think it's interesting all the discussion lately of gend…

If you had posted this above, it would of course have been fine. The trouble is that a one-line comment that simply names a divisive theme and contains no further information is liable to be misinterpreted.

Re prior flamebait comments, I was thinking of (at least) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36546191 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36541462.

Re: Are one million people in the UK using anabolic steroids? (2022)

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Post by zoklet-enjoyer » Wed, Jul 05, 2023, 6:45 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #155

zoklet-enjoyer wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't intend the comment to be taken that way. Also not sure what other comment I made that was considered flamebait. Maybe I missed that being called out or just forgot. Anyway, steroid use is gender affirming care. They're taken by men who perceive themselves as what society has generally considered a man and they want to emphasize those characteristics. I think it's interesting all the discussion lately of gend…

If you had posted this above, it would of course have been fine. The trouble is that a one-line comment that simply names a divisive theme and contains no further information is liable to be misinterpreted. Re prior flamebait comments, I was thinking of (at least) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36546191 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36541462 .

Oh. Yeah. I'm on my phone and really dislike typing on touchscreens. I should say things of more substance or nothing at all. I have periodically taken ivermectin. My friend had bedbugs and I was worried that he brought them over to my place. I had read about how ivermectin will kill bedbugs. Also when my roommates dog had worms I took some just in case I got them somehow. It's a safe and useful drug, just not for covid.

Re: Are one million people in the UK using anabolic steroids? (2022)

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Post by jiggywiggy » Thu, Jul 06, 2023, 6:56 AM UTC

kkielhofner wrote: post #99

pjc50 wrote: post #82

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> It's just very, very dangerous (and sleazy) to give the public and society the impression these results are obtainable with some random diet, over the counter supplement, etc. Unfortunately it's also risky for them to tell the truth ("I achieved this with some sketchy prescriptions of otherwise-illegal drugs")

As I noted in my top comment TRT therapy for older men is far from sketchy/illegal at this point - to the point of hardly being controversial. Joe Rogan (as one example) has no problem saying "I'm on TRT/HRT and it's great"[0] - and he's tiny compared to these guys. Joey Diaz actually says in that clip "let's be fair to everyone out there - you're on some stuff" and to his credit Joe says "absolutely". [0] - https://…

Rogan has a different audience. More mature, and TRT is dosed properly and often through a doctor. Young kids just shoot up as much as possible. I still think we need more research to know it's long term impact and side effects.

I do think it's fair to assume that if Hemsworth openly its likely to be possible more young kids will take it. But it also depends on how he talks about it.

Re: Are one million people in the UK using anabolic steroids? (2022)

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Post by _l4jh » Fri, Jul 14, 2023, 4:17 PM UTC

mmh0000 wrote: post #153

satysin wrote: post #152

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My level came back at 305 so they won’t offer any treatment.

That's still quite low. As I mentioned in a previous comment, my family doctor wouldn't persribe TRT even though I was outside of the "normal" range. I ended up having to go to a "mens health clinic", who are much more liberal with handing out prescriptions.

Not sure if you will see this but on the chance you do I was hoping you could get in touch with me directly as I would really like to talk to someone on TRT to ask some questions. If possible could you drop me an email? You can email my username [redacated] at gmail. Many thanks!